S01E25 — Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

SPOILER ALERT: This episode and transcript below contains major spoilers for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.

Featuring hosts Timothy Haynes, Donna Haynes, Rebekah Edwards, and T. Josiah Haynes.

We’re all huge fans, so we have a blast this episode discussing changes from the first Harry Potter book to film. And we have some seriously hot takes. Do you agree?

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The Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone movie captures the magic and charm of the wizarding world but trims key character moments and backstory for simplicity. The book dives deeper into the lore, relationships, and small details that make the story so enduring.

Tim: The book is better

Donna: The book is better

Rebekah: The book is better

Josiah: The book is better

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Prefer reading? Check out the full episode transcript below. It’s AI-generated from our audio, and if we’re being honest… no one sat to read the entire thing for accuracy. (After all, we were there the whole time.) 😉 We’re sorry in advance for any typos or transcription errors.

[00:00:00] Rebekah: Welcome to the Book is Better podcast. We are a family of four reviewing book to film adaptations. Today we are starting to cover one of our family’s collectively favorite series. Let’s be honest. It’s one of the world’s favorite series. We’re covering Harry Potter this summer. So starting this week, we are releasing an episode every single week until we reach the end of the series.

Um, we figured you would enjoy this on your vacation trips. and time away from work. And so we hope you enjoy it. So here’s our spoiler warning to start out. Uh, we are going to spoil Harry Potter. If you’ve been living under some sort of weird rock for the last, I don’t know, a couple of decades and don’t know anything about Harry Potter, maybe some Stop and I don’t know why you hit play on this episode in the first place, but stop and go read it or listen to it or, you know, whatever you’re going to do.

Uh, but we’re going to spoil, not only Sorcerer’s Stone, the first book in film, but we’re probably going to spoil things from the entire seven book original series. I’m not sure that we’ll get into anything, uh, about the later series, but, uh, yeah, there’s a spoiler warning. So before we begin, we love to introduce ourselves and give a little fun fact.

So I’m Rebekah. I am the sister slash daughter of the podcast. Uh, today’s fun fact is name a line or describe a scene from the book that inspired or significantly touched you in some way, and then let us know what you thought about it in the adaptation. Did you like it? Did you hate it? So my favorite line from the books.

And I don’t know if this is cliché, but it’s, uh, Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times If one only remembers to turn on the light. I would say, as it relates to the adaptation, Dumbledore reads this line off, and it was really faithfully done. It was like pretty, it, the line was exactly book to film the same, Like, um, as J.

K. Rowling wrote it, And I have always just loved remembering that concept, Because I think that, Well, as a believer, there’s, there’s a, what I know the light to be, uh, is really specific, but it’s just been like a really cool thing to remember in really dark nights of the soul when all I need to remember is that like there is a light and like there is, there is joy to be found in any circumstance.

[00:02:24] Donna: Well, my name is Donna, and I’m the wife mom of the group, and for me, I think this has pretty much always been the one thing out of this book that Gets me the same way every time. Um, but it really couldn’t get in. It really couldn’t be in the film adaptation because it’s a part of the narration of the book.

So, um, the statement is from that moment on. Oh my gosh, I’m about to 

[00:02:59] Rebekah: cry. We just started guys. 

[00:03:01] Donna: We’re not kidding. We love this book. From that moment on, Hermione Granger became their friend. 

[00:03:10] Josiah: Oh, 

[00:03:11] Donna: there are some things you can’t share without ending up liking each other and knocking out a 12 ft mountain troll is one of them.

And you know, up to this point, Hermione has driven them crazy. Ron more than Harry. I mean, but still, both of them are and most of the class are irritated with her because she’s so smart and she knows. And it’s really important that she let you know that. And this whole part of the story, uh, happens and it’s.

without without their knowledge. She’s just all of a sudden lying to the teachers about why they’re in there with her. And maybe she takes all the blame on herself. And and they were just they’re just stunned. And in the in the movie, this scene is there and they have stunned faces. I mean, they you can tell there’s the total surprise and all those things.

And then from that point on, they go on together. But every time I hear that in the book, I mean, I think everybody Even teens and children, everybody has somebody that has gone out there for you, you know, and, and I think that it’s, I think it’s a very significant statement. Um, and especially now, I’m like, I’m 60 and I have friends, I’ve had friends at different points in my life, life that I could go back and say, you went through this with me and you’ll forever be my friend.

So that’s my. I love that. Oh, gosh, that’s wonderful. 

[00:04:54] Tim: We really love Harry Potter. 

[00:04:57] Donna: Okay, I’m going to get a tissue 

[00:04:59] Tim: for me. The, um, it’s a line that’s that’s in both the book and movie. Um, it’s when Dumbledore is talking to Harry when he’s been looking at the mirror of Erised. Uh, and he says, it does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live.

Um, so good. Yeah. So that’s, that’s like, you know, we all, we all have dreams and that’s wonderful. But if that’s all we’re thinking about, we, we aren’t living in the actual moment, uh, that exists right now. We’re waiting for something else. 

[00:05:32] Rebekah: Sorry. Um, unnamed man on our podcast. Who are you? 

[00:05:35] Tim: Oh, sorry. It’s okay.

My name is Tim. I’m the dad, uh, and husband of our cadre of Okay, you’re 

[00:05:45] Rebekah: introducing more terms. We can’t just decide on one. I love it. I love 

[00:05:49] Donna: it. Okay, I would comment on his, his pick. Um, at my work, we use Microsoft products and use Microsoft teams to do messaging and stuff. And on my teams, that quote is my little tagline and probably, I don’t know, maybe Once a month or or here and there, people will, they’ll reach out to me and ask a question and go, by the way, I love your quote and I think it’s great because, um, I like it for the, a lot of them not know where it’s from.

No, they, well, some do is most know the reference to Harry Potter. I’ve come across a few that were really like Potter heads and just into it. But, um, but they, but they like, and I do quote, I do say it’s Albus Dumbledore. So, you know. I love it. 

[00:06:41] Josiah: Well, I am Josiah, otherwise known as Lil Hooch. 

[00:06:46] Rebekah: I do love our names in this recording today.

I’m Hermione Granger and dad’s the professor. Oh my 

[00:06:54] Josiah: gosh. Mom, we’re not going to talk 

[00:06:57] Rebekah: about that being sexy. That’s not 

[00:06:59] Josiah: the, no, no, no, no. Wow. All right. Well, I, I was, you know, I was actually thinking about the Hermione scene for my quote. But, uh, so I, in the interest of keeping it interesting, I’ll pick another quote, famous, iconic quote from the movie and the book and in the film.

Hagrid says, you’re a wizard, Harry. But in the book, he says, Harry, you’re a wizard, very slightly different. And I do think, uh, I do think Harry, your wizard is kind of a better line, uh, in isolation, but, uh, Robbie Coltrane, is that Agra’s late actor’s name? And we can’t think of, we can’t think, mom, we can’t think about all the actors who have passed away.

Oh 

[00:07:56] Rebekah: lord, we’ll never stop crying. We’ll never 

[00:07:59] Josiah: stop crying. 

[00:08:00] Rebekah: We’ll talk about that on the last episode of the series. I’m sure there are other, 

[00:08:04] Donna: other of the books that it will be more important. Hey, don’t soul. 

[00:08:09] Josiah: Don’t say that.

who cares about haggin? 

[00:08:15] Donna: Haggard gets the most lines in the first movie, the rest of the movies, he’s a character, but he’s he, but he talk less, less get 

[00:08:23] Josiah: talks less. I also remember that, uh, in the ’cause. I love these sparkle quizzes about. Who gets mentioned the most in every book, and I do think it’s funny that Hagrid is mentioned more in the first book than Hermione, whereas Hermione is always third place in all the other books.

[00:08:40] Rebekah: Oh, um, speaking of sporkle quizzes about Harry Potter, uh, Josiah, I would love to know to include your favorite Harry Potter squircle quiz that you made in the episode description. So if you love nerdy quizzes like we do, I will link to Josiah’s in the episode description and you can go and see, see how good your Harry Potter knowledge is.


[00:09:01] Josiah: have a couple of sorting galleries and a couple of logic puzzles as well. So I love when Hagrid bursts through the door. and announces Harry’s unknown but immutable identity. 

[00:09:15] Donna: Yes. 

[00:09:15] Josiah: That he’s not an orphan who’s hated by his family. He’s a wizard, a famous wizard who was loved by his wizard parents. And I think that there was, it was especially beautiful the time, this time I read it through more than it has been in the past.

[00:09:31] Rebekah: I typically do not, uh, summarize what happens in any of our books and films, but Harry Potter is, uh, my favorite book series of all time. And it’s one of the things that actually inspired me to want to do this podcast. So I decided that it would be me reading this today, if that’s okay with you. 

[00:09:48] Josiah: Sure. 

[00:09:49] Rebekah: Yep.

[00:09:50] Josiah: That’s okay with me. Thank you for permission 

[00:09:56] Rebekah: in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone in the UK, known as Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone. Harry Potter, an orphan boy living in the town of Little Whinging Stone. Siri discovers on his 11th birthday that he is a wizard and that his parents died not in a car crash, but at the hands of a formidable dark wizard, Lord Voldemort.

This opening book to a seven book series details Harry’s first year at Hogwarts. school of witchcraft and wizardry where he learns the basics of magic, meets his two best friends, Ron Granger, and discovers that Voldemort was not ultimately killed on the night he murdered Harry’s parents as many believed.

Voldemort, through one of the professors at Hogwarts, is trying to get a body back by stealing the Sorcerer’s Stone from its secure hiding place at the school. Harry, Ron, and Hermione work their way through series of challenges set up by the trusted teachers at the school to retrieve the stone before the Dark Lord can get to it, culminating in a battle between Harry Voldemort and Professor Quirrell, who was concealing Voldemort’s soul.

Quirrell dies, nearly killing Harry, and Voldemort’s soul escapes without the prize he sought. So, as normal, we like to kind of divide our, uh, differences that we discuss into three sections. So we talk about differences in characters and characterization, differences in setting, and then the differences to the plot and the timeline.

Um, and I will say for the purposes of this in particular, uh, we’re going to try to talk about some differences in some of the main characters that may, uh, travel with Okay. throughout the series. Um, before we get into talking about some other plot and timeline changes. Also, one more note, I’m going to include a list from the Harry Potter wiki.

Um, you can click on the link if you want and it goes to through every single change that happens in all of the books. So what we discuss, we’re not trying to comprehensively cover everything that happens differently. All we’re trying to do is talk about the things that stuck out to us as like most important, most impactful, most significantly different.

Um, but if you are nerdy like some of us are and want to read that, I will also include that link in the episode description. 

[00:12:08] Donna: One interesting difference in not the characterization of the.

Um, I’ve always listened to the Jim Dale audio book, the Jim Dale read audio book, but dad, this time he listened to the Stephen Fry, uh, TJ, which one did you okay? That is 

[00:12:30] Josiah: I am so glad you asked. So my audible was already set to 1. 5 speed and so I started the Harry Potter book and it is the one narrated by Jim Dale, But because of the speed I had a full 10 seconds where I thought the audio book said narrated by Jane Day.

That’s great. But I don’t lose anything. I tried. I tried so hard. I tried. 

[00:12:58] Rebekah: so hard to listen at 1. 3 because that’s what I listen to most of the audio books that we use for the podcast. And I couldn’t do it because I’ve listened to Jim Dale at 1. 0 speed for so many years that it was awful. And I was like, nope, I’m just going to listen to it at normal speed.

No problem. Like this is, I don’t like it. 

[00:13:15] Josiah: 1. 35. 

[00:13:17] Donna: I think I, but I do want to, to listen at some point to this, to the series, um, with Stephen Fry reading the, what I’ve listened to with dad and when we’ve been together and we’ll just listen to some of it. Um, he’s a, he’s a very engaging reader. I’m not going to say he’s better or worse than Jim Dale.

I mean, don’t ever speak out against Jim Dale in front of me. Never insult 

[00:13:42] Rebekah: Jim Dale in front of me. All right, well, let’s get into talking about how the characters are different. 

[00:13:49] Josiah: Well, let’s start with the first character, Harry Potter. There is a huge change to this character. His eyes are not green in the movie like his mother’s eyes.

[00:14:03] Rebekah: Now if you think that that’s not a major change because you are not familiar with the lore, you’re a ding ding dong dong. Snape 

[00:14:10] Josiah: is my favorite character from the series and Lily’s eyes being Harry’s eyes are are a big part of Snape’s character so I get it. That’s very funny, and it works better in the book than it does in the movie, but it is well known in Potter circles that Daniel Radcliffe, who played Harry Potter, couldn’t tolerate the green contacts that they tried to use to transform his blue eyes to be like Lily’s green ones.

[00:14:38] Rebekah: I personally think this is one of the dumbest, like, okay, I’m sorry. He, I understand he’s a child. And I like when he starts acting, but you’re telling me that like in one moment on set, but in less than a day of filming, because he did film for almost a day with them in, it was so bad that they couldn’t try a different brand.

They couldn’t try eye drops. They couldn’t try getting him used to them for a few days. And they completely like. Literally ruin one of the running themes that Rowling used through seven books because a whatever 10 or 11 year old could not tolerate the contact like that to 

[00:15:22] Donna: me. It’s not 

removed. 

It’s not removed from the movies.

They don’t ignore it. No, it’s just gaslighting at that point, but he’s constantly told you have your mother’s eyes. So a little bit of trivia, just a short thing. The first day of filming when he had green contacts in they filmed the last scene of Sorcerer’s Stone, okay? In the final scene if you get close up to him, his eyes are green because he’s got green contacts in But and but they’re also red and irritated and so I found that interesting before they squelched the whole topic and just made his eyes blue, which God help us.

[00:16:01] Rebekah: But yeah, and I understand that. I guess I just wish like some more effort was put into figuring out how to make it work. Like we not have. I feel like now you could do it through C. G. But it was a lot. It would have been a lot more fake looking, I think at that point in in movie making. But I don’t know.

I’ve worn contacts and like the first day I wore contacts was really rough. And then the next day, you know what? It wasn’t as rough and you know what? I had to switch brands at one point and it made my eyes less like watery and bloodshot. Like, I don’t know. It just seems like such a weird choice. Anyway, I don’t want to talk about it for too long.

It just really upsets me. 

[00:16:35] Donna: But I think that is one topic that a lot of people were very frustrated about, even though it is small in the scope of the whole thing. And it didn’t ruin the movie for me. It just was one of those things where if you read the stuff first. He read through the series and then saw it.

It was like jarring. Oh, 

[00:16:56] Josiah: wait. I think it’s important to recognize that when the first movie of Harry Potter was released, J. K. Rowling had published four. of the books. She had four books published. She was working on Order of the Phoenix. In my opinion, by the time she publishes Order of the Phoenix, she has the rest of the series planned out.

Oh, yeah. I don’t personally believe she had the whole series planned out from the first book, which is 

[00:17:26] Rebekah: clear, clear in 

[00:17:27] Josiah: the book existed in the first couple books, even when Tom Riddle’s diary What’s happening? But the question will never be important. I noticed that she did. She did know about I believe she knew state Snape’s whole story from the first book.

I think it’s important to the first book that she knew that I thought it was funny. According to screen rant, Rebekah, can you confirm this? Lily’s eye color in the movie changes in the last night when I was watching it again. The older version of Lily Potter apparently has blue eyes. Mm hmm. 

[00:18:03] Rebekah: They match Harry’s 

[00:18:04] Josiah: match Harry’s and then the younger actor playing lily who I assume is in Movie eight, maybe movie six or seven, but definitely movie eight.

She has like dark eyes 

[00:18:15] Donna: Rowling specifically required alan rickman maggie, uh smith and Uh, robbie coltrane be those be the characters they play snape When she talked to Alan Rickman, she gave him information about Snape’s character to the very end that she didn’t do for other people, but she was so compelled for him to do the part and of course, nobody else could have done it.

I don’t 

yeah, 

but, um, she gave him. Storyline all the way out. So he would have more reference. 

[00:18:51] Rebekah: So at 

[00:18:51] Donna: least like you said, at least by the time she was into book five, she knew it. The next character we want to discuss, of course, is going to be Harry’s best friend, Ron and, uh, border. For book Ron, he’s described as tall and lanky.

Harry’s not known as short, but he’s like average, I guess, average size. They don’t really make a deal about it, but the book does point out that that Ron is like tall and lanky, and they make several references throughout the movie. movies, but in the books as more specifically about how he has growth spurts and he’s just so growing so tall so fast.

His twin brother’s friend and George are described as shorter and stouter, but the actors that portray them in the films in the films kind of flip that, uh, you know, Fred and Georgia are tall twins and they picked a great set of very, very identical twins where Rupert Grint was a little more He was tall.

He was a tall guy, but he was a little more thickly built. And honestly, I think it works out with the, with he and Ron and Hermione. I think that Harry has a smaller frame. Hermione has a small frame. And even though Ron isn’t heavy, you don’t look at him as overweight. I think him being that a little stockier, I mean, I think it works with them well.

Um, but that, that’s definitely, that’s one thing in the book that when I read it, I’m 

[00:20:30] Rebekah: like, That’s one of the things I read in the book that I’m like, this one is the one that’s a little thicker, a little shorter, they’re the really tall, like, like, in my head, I see the characters from the movies, for sure.

Fun fact, this is, because we’re not going to talk about every single character in every single episode, we’re kind of covering changes to them throughout the course of the books. One of my favorite things So Fred Weasley, played by James Phelps, his brother, Oliver, played George. So James Phelps, I had seen this somewhere I thought was very funny.

When he got a copy of the final book, he was reading it on a plane, and he didn’t know what happened. Like, this is obviously before the movies were filmed, like, at that point, and he’s just like, he is this character, but he doesn’t know what’s going to happen because J. K. Rowling didn’t, like, let them in.

And he said, I, I don’t remember if he said he started like sobbing or he started like actively like be like reacting when he realizes his character dies and someone sitting next to him was like, what’s wrong? And he just looks at them and he said, I just shouted, I just died. And he was like, so upset. And it was like on the middle of a, in the middle of a plane.

And I just love, I don’t know why, but I just thought that was really cute. Like he was very emotional about it, which of course you would be. So Um, another major character change. I guess it’s really just more of a visual, but Hermione Granger is described in the books as having like very large buck teeth.

And this is significant because in book four, when they do the, um, the triwizard tournament, she basically says, like, during, they notice how pretty she looks when she’s dressed up for the ball. And One of them says something later about like your teeth look different and in that book, I believe it was Malfoy cursed her for her teeth to like grow really, really large.

And so when she went to the, uh, when she went to the hospital wing, Madam Pomfrey, like started making them smaller, gave her a mirror and Hermione just let her keep going a bit to let them get smaller. And she like makes a comment about how her parents who are dentists, will be sad, but she wanted her teeth to look smaller, whatever.

Anyway, so sort of like what happened to, uh, Daniel Radcliffe, they tried giving Emma Watson large buck teeth, like in her mouth so that they could change it later on. Again, trying to like stay true to the book, but it, uh, it made her not be able to speak. so badly that they just got rid of them. And she has slightly large teeth, like just because she was a preteen and that’s kind of what your teeth look like.

Um, but yeah, she does not have buck teeth throughout. 

[00:23:07] Donna: So our next characterization change is for none other than the amazing Albus Dumbledore. Um, through the book series. Are you about to cry again? Not yet. Okay. Through the book series, Dumbledore is like tender. He always has a, a spark of magic in his voice when he talks to Harry.

Now, this could be because I’ve listened to Jim Dale, and that’s what he reads. But as he’s talking to Harry and he interacts with Harry, there’s always this, uh, uh, thought or, or sense that he’s very endeared to Harry, like he, he just has a special place in his heart for them and for him, and this allows them to form a deep bond.

The film characterization, though, in this movie and really throughout the seven, uh, The whole series of them for my benefit. I always felt like Dumbledore came across as a little more distant and a little more like crass at some and sometimes an apathetic toward Harry. And I will say. One fault of that that could be mine, like one fault of that thought is I kind of forget until I get into the series a little ways.

I kind of forget that even though Dumbledore has a connection to Harry, he has an idea about the whole. thing that’s going to happen throughout this with Harry and Voldemort and all the stuff out in the future. But I kind of forget in my head, he is the headmaster of a school for many children and has been for many years.

So as a headmaster, yeah, he might have students that are more, you know, he’s more fond of. But I have to remember that You know, he still has a job as headmaster. He can’t fawn around after Harry for seven years. 

[00:25:05] Tim: Speaking of removed, um, Petunia and Dudley Dursley. Um, some of the most beautiful people in the world who are loving and caring.

All of that would be Well, in the book, they’re described as being blonde, but Fiona Shaw and Harry Melling, uh, who played the characters, uh, have brown hair. And so they stuck with the brown hair and didn’t try to do anything to it. And honestly, I didn’t notice that that was a difference until we were looking up some of those differences and that popped up.

[00:25:45] Josiah: In the audiobook that we listened to, probably an early edition is my, what I gather, there’s Because J. K. Rowling refers to Quirrell’s turban as his ridiculous turban, which I think isn’t that bad, but it’s a little insensitive. Not that Quirrell is a devout Muslim, or anyone who would be wearing a turban, or simply a cultural Arab.

Who knows? But to call it ridiculous, I thought, was an interesting choice. But I am looking in Pottersearch. And I cannot find that. Oh, here it is. It’s his absurd turban. Absurd. 

[00:26:23] Rebekah: I thought they referred to it like it as an absurd turban because he might, he wasn’t someone that you would expect to be wearing a turban.

Like if you’re not middle eastern. He 

[00:26:35] Tim: He only started wearing it not a year, because he went on a vacation to Europe and blah, blah, blah, came back and decided to wear a turban. So it was completely different. It wasn’t who he had been before. I think what she’s talking about is 

[00:26:50] Josiah: how big it is. 

[00:26:52] Rebekah: You know, I imagine that’s an 

[00:26:54] Josiah: absurd 

[00:26:55] Tim: turban because it’s so big.

Another small change in character, um, was for Argus Filch. Filch in the book seems to wage a constant war against the students. He would like them all hung up by their toenails when they do something bad. But the movie makes it clear that he isn’t a big fan of the children in the castle, but he’s not as consistently searching ways to get them in trouble.

[00:27:22] Rebekah: Also, one of the things about Filch that ended up changing kind of throughout the movie series is that in the books, you find out that he’s like taking a quick spell course because he’s basically a squib, the opposite of a muggle. He’s from a magic family, but he can’t do magic. And in the film series, they just kind of don’t talk about that at all.

[00:27:40] Donna: There are some admitted characters from the first book into the movie. Um, most of these I get, um, been, it would have been nice to see them, but. In the scope of what they tried to do and remember this movie was way over is almost 2. 5 hours. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Already, which was a, which was a risk at that time that they were taken to do it this way.

But, you know, of course, it paid off for them. But, uh, the amended characters were peers polkas, which is Dudley’s friend that went to the zoo with them. Uh, Arabella Fig, who’s their batty old neighbor that Harry would have to go stay with and had 

[00:28:21] Rebekah: all the cats, 

[00:28:23] Josiah: although she is 

[00:28:23] Rebekah: not omitted. Yes, she is not omitted from the entire series.

She shows up in movie number five. Yeah. So, yeah, these are just omissions. I’m clarifying for the ones that show up later. I’m just trying to clarify. 

[00:28:34] Josiah: That’s funny. I, and I was saying she’s in the order of the phoenix. 

[00:28:41] Donna: Um, and then, Uh, Peeves the poltergeist, which for me personally was the greatest. Myth of all this.

Yeah I’m hoping that the harry 

[00:28:53] Rebekah: potter television series Like is so excited um about The addition of peeves. I I think that I they can really do a lot with that. That is one of the most Like heartbreaking things for me, too Did you know mom as the person who I know likes the trivia stuff a lot, uh, there was a scene filmed with peeves for the first film.

It is in the deleted scenes in the original releases. It is no longer included in deleted scenes in later DVD releases. They took it out entirely. 

[00:29:26] Donna: They paid him. I’m like, he was paid his full. Contract like it cut or not cut. And I guess that’s probably a part of movie life that I don’t know about because I’m not in them.

Um, the next one is Professor Ben’s the ghost teacher of history of magic again. And he’s in a C. G. No 

[00:29:44] Rebekah: version. Yeah, he’s in no movie. He’s also omitted from all of the related video games to Harry Potter. 

[00:29:52] Donna: Yeah. So poor Professor Ben’s all his work after death and it got him. Nothing. After Professor Ben’s another teacher is Madam Pence is not mentioned as well.

She’s in the movie. She’s not in the movie. Charlie Weasley’s friends are not in the movie. Now, we don’t ever see Charlie in the first one, but they make mention of him 

[00:30:22] Josiah: and then I am a firm believer that Charlie is one of the people flying around the astronomy tower in the book. Very possible could be.

[00:30:32] Donna: Then, uh, last few. Ronan and Bain, who are two centaurs who live in the forbidden forest, uh, they come in and they’re at the, uh, latter, latter part of the book when they go in looking for the injured and murdered unicorns. Uh, we do see, you know, frenzi or phen as Hare says. Mm-Hmm, , uh, but not Ronan and Bain.

We’ll come across them later, I think. And then lastly, uh, Madam Pomfrey, which. They’re in the hospital weighing number of times, but there’s another actress who plays 

[00:31:12] Rebekah: Madame Pomfrey. The actress who plays Madame Pomfrey is not in this one, but there is a different nurse that shows up. Right. I also thought it was interesting, like the way that they show the interaction with frenzy and then cut out the other centaurs.

Like there’s this other plot thing. I don’t even, I don’t think I included it anywhere in our list. But there’s this thing where the other centaurs are like very offended by forensics participation. Yeah. And so there, yeah, it kind of cuts out some racial tension, which I think it was an interesting part of the books that they kind of developed over the course of the series, but 

[00:31:47] Tim: I digress.

I thought the scene with forensic in the forest seemed very strange without the other, without the other things, without Harry riding on his back, it just didn’t make a lot of sense. It was like, hey, here’s another character. And there was a plot line there. But, um, he’s done now. 

[00:32:05] Donna: Well, I mean, yeah, he chased off.

He chased off Voldemort. I get that. But I agree with you. I think it was introducing him going through all the work of C. G. Getting rid of peeves. Anyway, sorry, I’ll try not to prattle on about peeves. You’re real peeved about that, huh? I’m so peeved. You’re peeved. I like it. Uh, so as we move into plot and timeline changes, at the very beginning of the book, you have this great description of a normal day or a normal time in the life of Vernon Dursley and his family.

You get this, this thing about Vernon and who he is on his day as he goes to work and it happens to be he thinks normal and then he starts seeing weird stuff and so it’s specifically the day that after Voldemort was defeated and Harry’s parents died in the film. They show the conversation between McGonagall and Dumbledore saying some of this, but none of the Dursleys appear until after that scene in the movie.

Now, I get this. I think it was very interesting that she started the whole book series with the most disgusting people who was being antagonists of Harry. the whole 

[00:33:31] Tim: time. It’s also interesting to me that she began the book with what was a very humorous scene with the Dursleys and, and all of that, and the owls and all of that.

In the book, she chose, they chose to begin with the darker part, uh, not a humorous scene, but, but the darker one where he’s lost his parents and all of that kind of stuff. During that 

[00:33:53] Josiah: opening prologue, the latter half of that chapter, Is a McGonagall Dumbledore conversation, and there’s a part where Hagrid comes in near the end, and he’s on a flying motorbike, and he says in the book that he lent it from young Sirius Black, which noticed that.

Mhm. And that is omitted from the film. I think that makes sense. Because Sirius Black isn’t mentioned for the rest of the book. And it’s a big plot point later. And I think it is a little confusing to brand new viewers to say, Okay, Sirius Black is like a good guy. And then in the third film you’re like, Okay, he’s a bad guy.

Now I think that that’s good book writing. In general, yeah, but if you’re trying to simplify the movie, I get it. Okay, so I have a trivia about this, who are two other people mentioned in the prologue that don’t appear. So Sirius Black is kind of the big famous one. There’s two other, there’s two other, there’s a witch and a wizard who are mentioned by McGonagall and Dumbledore.

Who do not appear. They’re not necessarily huge characters, but I think it’s notable that J. K. Rowling chose to mention them in the very first chapter, even though they’re not integral to the story. I’m not even sure. 

[00:35:14] Donna: Does she, are you talking about Daedalus? 

[00:35:17] Josiah: Daedalus Diggle is one of them. There’s a bunch of shooting stars, and I think McGonagall says, Oh, that must be Daedalus Diggle.

Who does come back in the seventh book. And who is in the first book at the Leaky Cauldron. Yes, correct. And Harry says, hey, you’ve bowed to me before. 

[00:35:34] Donna: Because the, oh, you remembered me. 

[00:35:37] Rebekah: I don’t remember who the witch is that he mentions though. 

[00:35:41] Donna: We know so much. We shouldn’t 

[00:35:42] Rebekah: know. 

[00:35:43] Donna: Do you know I struggle to memorize scripture, folks?

Oh, I got to stop this. Okay, go ahead. You should go repent. The other 

[00:35:53] Josiah: one, Dumbledore says, it’s lucky it’s dark. I haven’t blushed so much since Madame Pomfrey told me she liked my new earmuffs. 

[00:36:03] Rebekah: Yes, and Madame Pomfrey was cut from this film. That’s hilarious. Interesting. No, that was very cute. So another thing that I noticed that kind of bugs me every time we watch the film, but I understand why they did it for simplicity’s sake.

So in the book, Hagrid meets Harry at, you know, the cottage by the sea and all of this stuff. Um, and takes him to Diagon Alley for school supplies. They buy Hedwig in the book. Hagrid drops him off at the Dursley’s for several weeks, somewhere around a month because he gets him on his birthday, which is at the end of July.

But there’s like four weeks before the start of the school term. Um, and then a month later, his parents are not parents. Sorry. A month later, the Dursley’s then drop him off at King’s cross station. They begrudgingly like have taken him to London and they make fun of him because his ticket is for a platform that doesn’t exist.

Nine and three quarters in the film. They just kind of, It’s annoying because his birthday is relevant when it comes to the fifth book, but it’s a, it’s a book that wasn’t out when this film came out. So they probably didn’t know his birthday is at the end of July, which matters later, but they mess up the timeline because in the film Hagrid and he go to Diagon Alley and then he.

takes him to platform nine and three quarters. Well, he, no, he doesn’t. He takes him to King’s cross station, then randomly disappears without explanation and leaves Harry and 11 year old wizard bridge just on a bridge. And like, fortunately Harry finds some other wizards. Which is Winters, that’s how he meets the Weasleys.

But like, that always bugs me, like, I kind of get that in the movie it feels kind of this like quirky, it adds to that like quirky weirdness of the magic. But at the same time it feels very out of character for Hagrid. It messes up the timeline pretty significantly, I would say. And it just like, it seems so weird.

[00:38:03] Donna: This next change kind of fits into this too. Even though you could have done it in a short period of time, I can see the logic of, of getting rid of it in the film. In, in the book, Harry encounters Draco in Diagon Alley. And he’d gone, he’d gone Hager said, Hey, I’m going to go down and take said, whatever I’m going to do, he goes into the robe shop.

Draco’s there. They have a short meet and go on. And Harry realizes real quickly that he’s not crazy about Draco, but in the movie, they go, their first meeting is at Hogwarts. And that’s a similar thing to what you’re saying. I, I get, you I don’t think you lose anything by taking it out. So, 

[00:38:49] Tim: well, I will say for me, for me, it was awkward because, uh, when Draco is talking to him about, you know, the right, being with the right sort of people, he’s talking to him as if he’s already met him and talked to him a little bit, which in the book is true, but in the movie, that’s a little awkward that he’s, he’s talking to him like a friend, a compatriot.

Yeah, I agree with that. It doesn’t fit well. Yeah. Yeah. In the book, Harry, Ron, and Hermione, um, meet Fluffy, the three headed monster dog, uh, the first time in the middle of the night as the two boys were going to duel Malfoy, um, and, uh, Hermione is there because she was trying to stop them, and she got locked out of Gryffindor Tower.

Uh, in the film, they don’t sneak out in the middle of the night, there’s no threatened duel with Malfoy, and they find themselves in the wrong corridor simply due to a switching staircase. Which is an interesting change. 

[00:39:56] Rebekah: I think that I understand why probably not just for simplicity sake, but I think it makes it more interesting when they get detention later from McGonigal, like that they haven’t, I don’t know.

The first time Harry sneaks out with the invisibility cloak when they go see Hagrid and Norbert and like all that stuff like they sneak out a lot in the first book and I think that this not being a sneak out trying to reduce the amount of screen time necessarily that Malfoy gets because there was the reason that Malfoy like was going to duel them was because he was actually trying to get them caught by Filch like it was a lot of like extra complication after complication to set up and so You know, Malfoy, another time, which is shown in the film, does get them in trouble for being out.

And so it just, it felt like they were trying to take out something that really was kind of repetitive, in my opinion. Another thing that changed that bugs me, so I think I picked the changes to talk about that annoy me the most. So I’m really sorry about it. Um, and I love this book and film. Obviously, I’m not, you know, I’m not a hater.

But in the film, Dumbledore is shown at the first Quidditch match. So that’s the match where they see Snape in like saying something and Hermione says that she’s cursed that he’s cursing Harry’s broom because it begins to to wriggle and nearly drop him off in midair. In the book, Dumbledore is not at the first Quidditch match and Harry’s freaking out and almost calls out of the second Quidditch match because Dumbledore wasn’t going to be there and then they find out Dumbledore is going to be at the second match.

Oh, he was freaking out because Snape was going to be refereeing the second match in the book. So then when they find out that Dumbledore is indeed going to be there, Harry immediately calms down like, Dumbledore Completely is fine because they know that if Dumbledore is there, neither like a snape, which obviously we find out later is actually coral isn’t going to be able to curse Harry and I was reading through like some of the major changes.

And I know this sounds random, but like this really kind of annoyed me because I think In it doesn’t make sense when you look at like who Dumbledore is supposed to be. It doesn’t make sense that like he’s like he could have literally just pointed his wand and like stop like he could have stopped the curse from happening because he’s so powerful and like this is a huge deal.

So I did think it was a very strange choice that like you show him there but it’s like he just doesn’t get involved even when Harry could have dropped from like 100 feet in the air. Like that was weird. 

[00:42:34] Josiah: I like the way you said that you said he was scared of Snape. Well, who was actually, it was actually quarrel.

And I like to think that on the back of Snape’s under Snape’s black hair wig is quarrels. Yeah, that would be interesting plots 

[00:42:48] Rebekah: within plots. It’s the inception 

[00:42:50] Tim: of the faces. Oh my sleeper awake. Um, no, no. Uh, a pretty large portion of the book covers the research that Ron, Harry and Hermione do to discover who Nicholas Flamel is, uh, because of Hagrid letting it slip.

He let it slip. And then they’re trying to find out who in the world that is. Although it is interesting in the film, Harry reads Flamel’s name off of the the Albus Dumbledore card that he gets in the Chocolate Frog. Um, so, when, that was Grindelwald, yeah, um, this, the stuff about, uh, the research, all the research it took is mostly cut from the film.

However, we do see Harry sneaking into the library under the invisibility cloak in the middle of the night to try to find him in the restricted section. Uh, one of the reviewers that we that we watched earlier, uh, about the films and little problems with it. It’s like, why be under the invisibility cloak?

If you’ve got a lantern sticking out of it, when 

[00:44:00] Donna: Harry first encounters the room that has the mirror of error set in it, he looks in and, um, I’m going to read. The way it is in the book, I’m going to quote it from the book. When Harry looks into the book, before I quote, he first looks into the mirror and he sees all these people.

In the film, he sees only His parents. But in the book, he sees this whole group of people standing around smiling at him. Well, he doesn’t have any pictures of his parents, so he didn’t immediately recognize them. Book or film. And then he begins to like don realize it and, and comes see this, sees the eyes, sees the glasses, and the crazy 

[00:44:46] Rebekah: hair of his dad.

Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:44:48] Donna: But in the book, this is such a cool quote. Or this quote just is so cool to me. Gives me a great visual of of the preciousness of this scene. They just looked at him smiling and slowly Harry looked into the faces of the other people in the mirror and saw other pairs of green eyes like his.

other noses like his and even a little old man who looked as though he had Harry’s knobbly knees. Harry was looking at his family for the first time in his life. And I, I love that. It’s a nugget of truth. You don’t go back into the family. You don’t get into any of those things until way at the end when you look back at some of his History, whatever.

But I think it’s just so cool and I’m sorry that they didn’t put it into the movie. Although the scene in the movie when he was with his parents the first time was It was profound for me. It was lovely, but I thought the omission of the people was, was kind of sad at the same time. 

[00:45:57] Tim: I’ve wondered why in the movie, um, for one, Harry’s hair doesn’t have the piece that’s constantly standing up.

Super messy. That makes it an appearance continually through the books. Um, and also the way that he recognized his dad. So Harry’s hair isn’t that way. The dad’s hair is not that way. The eyes are different of him between he and his mom. And so it’s a little less I don’t know. There’s a little less to it in the movie than there is in the book.

[00:46:28] Rebekah: I think they depend on suspicion of disbelief 

[00:46:31] Josiah: in the movie. 

[00:46:32] Rebekah: Yeah, at that scene in the movie, she and Harry do have the same color eyes. I noticed it when I was re watching, but they’re blue, they’re not green, and they use the same shape of glasses on the dad to make you think that he looks like Harry, which is like, come on, like, really?

Like, he did not have those glasses. Listen. The, the, the, I just want to point this out, the logic of this, Harry was one year old when his parents died. There’s no way that he was wearing glasses at this point, which means the Dursley’s are the ones who bought Harry’s glasses and they would not have bought him glasses that look like his father’s glasses.

That’s just so, it’s so silly. 

[00:47:12] Josiah: They would have tried to be contrarian to that. 

[00:47:14] Rebekah: Exactly. And so it’s just interesting that like this is one, this is one example of like movie makers basically treating the audience as stupid and having to make connections through something that like the book did a lot better.

It was a 

[00:47:28] Tim: beautiful scene in the book. It was less beautiful in the movie. 

[00:47:32] Donna: I will say that representation of them visually. I felt like they did well at making Harry and Ron look like, well, Hermione too, but Harry and Ron looking like boys of their age at 11. Their hair never really looked completely clean.

I mean, it’s kind of brushed. It’s not, you know, so I did feel like where Draco’s hair and of course, Tom Felton’s hair’s thinner, but his hair was always like groomed, uh, which I thought was interesting, but, but, but that’s exactly who he would be. Yeah. And one of the big things we got In reviews, we listened to about everybody notes.

Um, the scars everywhere and I read several pieces of trivia about it. The scars all over his head. I mean, and all through the movies there and a couple of times it’s not there at all. Like, there’s one point. When he’s held upside down where his hair is really completely stuck up, it’s like gone. So anyway.

[00:48:33] Rebekah: Okay. So another thing, I’m sorry, I don’t want this to be a rant session, but there again are several things that I don’t like. The next thing I wanted to talk about is the whole Norbert plot. So they do include Norbert, which I’m grateful for because I know he comes back in the fourth movie, but it’s so, so tiny.

So for those of you who have not read the book. In the book, Hagrid lets the three know that he has gotten a baby dragon, so this is kind of what all culminates and it’s similar to the movie where they realize like the person who gave him the dragon had found out about Fluffy and it was actually like, they thought it was Snape, but it was actually Quirrell, like all this stuff, but um, In the, in the book, the three kids like take care of Norbert with Hagrid for a long period of time.

Ron gets bit by Norbert and has to go to the hospital wing and has to lie about what bit him. And so he’s like in the hospital wing for like a week or something. He’s very, you know, injured. Um, They keep trying to talk Hagrid out of keeping the, the dragon, yada, yada, yada. Finally, Ron suggests like, hey, let’s connect with my brother, Charlie.

Hagrid cannot keep this dragon. He literally lives in a wood cabin. Um, and dragons breathe fire, as we know. And, uh, so he, Ron, sends a letter to Charlie using Hedwig, I’m pretty sure. Charlie says that he will send some friends who are going to be around that area, um, from where he takes care of dragons in Romania.

They’re going to meet and get Norbert. So what ends up happening in the book at this point is Ron is in the hospital wing because of his bite. Harry and Hermione go up to the Astronomy Tower with Norbert because for some reason the adult Hagrid didn’t do this, the thing that wouldn’t have gotten him into trouble.

Uh, for some reason the children are supposed to do it, which again, is just like, this is how the book is written too, but like, there’s so many things that children do that I’m like, this is ridiculous. Like this would never make sense, but anyway. When you’re a kid, do you think 

[00:50:35] Tim: you know more than your parents and all the adults?

Yes! You know better. Yes! Yes. 

[00:50:40] Rebekah: Yes. But, uh, Harry and Hermione go up to the top of the tower, like they give Norbert to the friends. They’re so excited they got rid of Norbert that Harry forgets his invisibility cloak, which by the way is one of the only things about the book that really annoyed me was like, that’s so stupid.

He would not have forgotten that. Forgets the invisibility cloak and they get caught, um, at the base of the tower. They get detention, but they find out that. Um, Neville got detention as well. He had followed them out, was trying to find them because he knew that Malfoy was going to going to turn them in because they had told Malfoy about a dragon like they had basically told Malfoy a version of the truth.

Malfoy was out so that he could report them. So all four of them get detention and They hurt Neville’s feelings because they tell professor because Professor McGonagall basically is like, I can’t believe you would lie about that. And then like Neville’s feelings get hurt. It is just like a very complex thing.

I understand removing it from the film. But in the film, they like Know that Hagrid has gotten a baby dragon, and then Hagrid invites them to his house after curfew, and then they go see the dragon hatch, Malfoy sees it hatch, and then goes to tell McGonagall, Ron is with Harry and Hermione, Neville is not involved, so all four of them, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Malfoy get detention.

That’s why they have to go to the forbidden forest. And Filch mentions at the point where he drops the kids off with Hagrid, something about like, you need to stop worrying about this dragon. Hagrid would have been fired if the staff had known about the dragon. The only reason that he’s still on the staff by the second book is because McGonagall didn’t believe the story about the dragon that Malfoy told them.

So this whole thing is like, changed so much in my opinion, I find it like, it’s okay. I understand the movie change. Like, I don’t think that they had time to add all of that complexity in. But honestly, it did not make sense to me. Also, it didn’t even seem like they were out after hours. Like, I was very confused because then McGonagall sees them and it’s like, Giving them detention.

And I’m like, why is she giving them? It didn’t even make sense like that. She was giving them detention. So I think the way that they redid it was just more confusing. And I really wish that there had been more thought put into how to do that differently. Thank you for listening to my rant, 

[00:53:06] Donna: that little, that, that one section there that you just described when we watched the movie this week, um, I did think like, obviously you see the differences real quick, but I did think, is he just having to put this in there because he knows it’s important, but they’re trying to like rush it.

I felt like it was one of those things where they go, Oh, my gosh, we got to do this part, throw that in 

[00:53:32] Tim: one of the things that they ended up, they end up cutting. Out of out of the film or left out of the film from the book, uh, in the obstacles to get to the sorcerer’s stone. Um, they cut the potion riddle that was created by Snape.

Um, and they also cut the troll guard, um, which was passed out when they found him in the past out in the book. Um, on the Special features of the DVD release does show the potion obstacles. I was sorry that they cut that because, um, that’s one of those things. The reason that was such a big deal because it had a riddle with it was because witches and wizards are so terrible at logic.

Um, and I thought that was something wonderful about all of the lore and it just drops out of this one. 

[00:54:23] Rebekah: Well, also Snape is discussed as being, he is said in the film by Hagrid as being one of the professors protecting the stone, except he doesn’t because his thing isn’t there. Like it was weird that they didn’t include that too because they referenced him earlier as protecting the stone.

[00:54:41] Donna: In the film, Harry kills Quirrell by holding his hands to Quirrell’s face until he turns to ash. In the book, though, it is Voldemort who actually kills Quirrell by just leaving his head. He separates from him and it, and it kills him. I would say if you really, are getting into the theories and the lore of what’s supposed to be happening between Harry and Voldemort.

For Harry to kill somebody, even in self defense, would be a pretty serious thing. So I never really thought about it until I read, like going through notes and looking at this thinking that that’s definitely a change. But for Harry to be the one that ends someone’s life, that doesn’t happen. And it Intentionally doesn’t happen because of all that 

[00:55:35] Rebekah: would mean.

To defend the potential here why I don’t know that it’s clear that Harry knew he was going to kill Quirrell It wasn’t like I think that it looks like he was just trying to keep him away And he knew that he burned him if he touched him and so I do I will give it to that It’s like it didn’t look like it was like I’m gonna kill this guy But at the same time I agree that it is kind of a big deal and an odd choice to make that doesn’t totally line up with Harry’s hair 

[00:56:01] Donna: and and to You Another very profound thing that they talk about in later books, and I’ll just make the statement, is they make it, they make this really strong statement about when you take a life, how it affects, how it affects 

[00:56:18] Rebekah: you forever.

I think something that confuses me about it is in the films, He never seems to process or be bothered by this like they did change it in the films, but you would almost think like, because they changed it, like, shouldn’t he have some sort of reaction? You know what I mean? Yeah, that’s pretty big. 11 year old 

[00:56:38] Donna: killing somebody.

Even even though no, I 100 percent agree. He didn’t mean to. He said I called. No. 

[00:56:45] Josiah: Well, at the end of the book, Harry is reunited with the fantastic, beautiful Dursley family. That is omitted from the film. The film instead finishes with them boarding the Hogwarts Express to go home, at which point Harry says he’s not going home, not really.

And I think that that’s a fitting end to the movie. I think the movies set a pattern for themselves that the beginning of the movie was when the Dursleys were going to be. And I think it makes logical sense that the Dursleys are at the end of the books as well. It’s full circle. It makes sense. That’s where he’s going to be after the school year ends.

But I do think it is kind of a negative end for. Yeah. An uplifting sort of movie about friendship and everything to end with harry away from his friends I think it’s much nicer to end Where Harry’s with his friends at his real new home. I think that’s much more fitting. It makes sense that the Dursleys are at the end of the book.

But I think this is a pretty good film change that is consistent throughout most of the films. 

[00:58:01] Tim: Alright, so there is one setting change, and that’s when Harry’s letters come from Hogwarts at the beginning. Um, there’s actually a lot more traveling and journey that takes place with Ian. The Dursley is trying to get away.

They simplified that for the film. Uh, and the cottage by the sea is kind of where they went immediately when they left their house. Um, and I understand that that’s a that’s a choice. You make a point in the book. They wanted to make the point. Over and over. So 

[00:58:34] Rebekah: I appreciate I agree with you. I see why the condensing makes total sense.

I will say this is one of the things about the book that’s irrelevant to the plot. Like it doesn’t have anything to do with anything. But I find it so hilarious. Like just Vernon Dursley is like unraveling and completely unhinged behavior. It just like keeps getting worse. And every time I hear that part of the book, like I just crack up.

So 

I love it. 

And I will say in terms of setting, since there weren’t a lot, like we really only had a single change. Um, I appreciate that. They really kept so much of the https: otter. ai exactly like I obviously don’t think they would have changed Hogwarts or Diagon Alley or whatever, but it’s so cool the way that they not only stayed true to the book in the setting, but also like it’s become this like insanely iconic thing.

We’ll talk a little bit later about like the ways that the franchise has grown, but like I’m really excited to visit. Universal Studios in Orlando because I can’t wait to see Harry Potter world. And it’s like, there’s just this like vibe and visual that’s become so lasting. And it’s like from movie sets.

You know what I mean? Like, it’s really cool just how enduring that has become. 

[00:59:57] Donna: Yeah. As we move into some trivia, we typically start out with kind of by the numbers, ratings and, and releases box office and things like that. And I will tell you. Just, I did not even touch. the amount of stuff out here about the records that were broken and the way all this rolled out.

Um, but if you get into those numbers, um, you should, you should go, I think you’d be fascinated to see how it just busted up on everything, um, at that time when it, when it was released. The book release was, um, in two parts. As we had mentioned earlier, the UK release was, uh, June 26th, 19. 1997. The US release was September 21st, 1998.

I think it’s interesting it came out a year apart, but again, 

[01:00:52] Josiah: I think it was a very small release. She was struggling to find a publisher, right? And then 

[01:00:58] Donna: I should have brought that a piece of trivia. She tried, she tried a publisher and, uh, ended up going to a second literary, like a literary agent published, tried a couple.

The second person that worked with her, they tried to sell it for a year. And the reason they kept getting turned down was they said 90, 000 words was pretty lengthy for a Children’s book. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, the last book is what? Four times that it’s I don’t know the numbers, but it’s massive. And 

[01:01:35] Rebekah: so what you’re saying is they didn’t really get the vision at first of like that, how this would grow with them and become, well, it feels like more than a children’s 

[01:01:43] Josiah: book.

The first book, it has a breakneck pace. It was the quickest pace of any of these books. 

[01:01:50] Donna: The first one. Yeah. 

[01:01:52] Josiah:

[01:01:52] Donna: mean, I was, 

[01:01:53] Josiah: I was in, I was two thirds of the way through the book and I felt like I was still. No, this could sound like a bad thing, but it’s it feels like I’m still just learning about the world, you know?

[01:02:05] Donna: Yeah. Yeah. She did some incredible. It was too 

[01:02:08] Josiah: long. It’s like, oh, the ending is coming up. Oh, goodness. Yeah. 

[01:02:11] Donna: Her world building there was I agree. It was trying to look at that part of it reading through it. This time was like, oh, she Really takes her time, which is pretty cool. Um, the movie release was November 4th in 2001, November 4th at the Odeon Leicester Square as it’s not, that’s not the theater name, but on Odeon Leicester Square in the UK, and then the November 10th release.

Was out to more audiences in the U. K. Wide release. And then November 16th of 2001 was the U. S. Release. And I think I read somewhere and I probably should have noted it didn’t. I just got kind of buried in stats, but it went out to more theaters. Then I think anything else had at that time. I think that’s right.

Or maybe it’s movie genre could have been that too. So book the book rating on Goodreads is 4. 87 out of five. The Rotten Tomatoes rating was 81 fresh flickster audiences. Sorcerer’s Stone, Philosopher’s Stone is the second highest box office after Deathly Hallows part two. So throw that out there in the rank of eight.

Production cost 125 million. Pretty decent amount but not huge for that time. The opening weekend in the U. S. 90. 2 million. USA Canada gross was 318 million. International 705 million and I mean, it showed all over I it, I was really shocked to see how, what kind of a release it had. It was crazy. The Total Box Office, I read some that said 994 million and then one point, and then just over 1 billion.

So I don’t know if that took in just the first release of the movie or. 

[01:04:11] Rebekah: Yeah, I was gonna say the one that I looked up gave, uh, the number as 974 million. Okay. I wonder if the number that you saw, like the 1.02 billion comes from the fact that it’s also had lots of little mini rerelease. Yes. Where it’ll come out for a week or, and I’m pretty sure whatever, so I bet that’s 

[01:04:30] Donna: what 

[01:04:30] Rebekah: it’s from.

[01:04:31] Donna: So I think total would be like, as of current, the releases that have been out, that’s. The total. 

[01:04:39] Josiah: Okay, so I feel like U. S. Canada gross of only 318 million. I guess it was a little bit of a kid’s movie, but that seems just a little bit low for me. I mean, honestly, I think it could have gone twice as high on U.

S. Canada gross as back in 2001 ticket prices might have been, you know, inflation and stuff like that. But I do feel like part of that is because it’s such an aggressively British movie. Oh, USA. Canada is not British. 

[01:05:06] Rebekah: So we have some, there’s just a couple of really interesting things that we found while researching this film and book.

And this is most of these have to do with specifically the philosopher stone slash sorcerer stone. But, uh, this one is kind of the, the broader series one. So as of February, 2023. So year and a half ago with over 600 million million copies purchased worldwide. This is now officially the best selling book series in history.

It is available in 85 languages. 

[01:05:39] Donna: That’s significant. That’s a 

[01:05:40] Rebekah: lot. The Harry Potter franchise is currently estimated to be worth around $25 billion. Jesus. So that includes film series, fantastic Beast Films, , , the the Wizarding World Theme Parks, and the, uh, large number of memorabilia. What you like that I assume 

[01:06:00] Josiah: the.

Beast films are worth negative dollars. 

[01:06:05] Rebekah: probably. It’s sad despite the drag of these films. 

[01:06:08] Josiah: It’s sad. I just, 

[01:06:09] Rebekah: I am going to say just kind of as an overarching statement, love the original Harry Potter books. I’m very excited about the TV show. I really enjoy what they’ve done with the movies. I think the Wizarding world parks are gonna be.

So exciting to visit. I love the fact that like Barnes and Noble and books a million and all these books, like literally they each have an aisle dedicated to Harry Potter, dozens of board games, tons of like video games. I played Hogwarts Legacy. It was awesome. Like I beat the whole game on PS five as it was designed to be played.

It’s so good. Like, yeah, There’s so many things that are so cool. The first Fantastic Beasts film, I was so excited and I went in and I loved like 60 percent of the film, except the part where they get into the like antagonist part. And I was like, Oh, it’s so charming. I love the animals. And I love this kid.

I loved what’s his face that played the main character. Yeah. I loved Eddie Redmayne as Newt Scamander. And like, I was so excited. Y’all, I was so disappointed with how bad those ended up being. It just bummed me out. I was like so, like such promise and then it just was so, so 

[01:07:15] Josiah: bad. It’s so sad because Jill Kane had full control over them.

It’s completely her fault. 

[01:07:22] Donna: Yeah, it’s so disappointing and considering everything else about this franchise, they’re not going to make any more. So that tells you that they knew we’ll take a shot. I think they got to two and thought, oh, my gosh, took a shot at a third one to see if they can revive it. 

[01:07:40] Rebekah: I mean, that’s really, yeah, yeah.

Unfortunately, I’m glad that they finally, like, came to the point of deciding, like, no. So, I mean, I think 

[01:07:50] Josiah: announced that they’re not gonna do one. Are they just not saying? I 

[01:07:53] Rebekah: just 

[01:07:53] Donna: think, 

[01:07:53] Rebekah: yeah, it was 

[01:07:53] Donna: officially announced that there would not be anymore. 

[01:07:56] Josiah: Wow. 

[01:07:57] Donna: Getting away from money, so to speak, the only costume not to change over the course of time was Snape’s.

The costume designer stated because it was perfect. When something is perfect, you cannot change it. And I thought it was interesting. Uh, one of the scenes I noted in the movie this time that I don’t think I’ve really paid attention to is, uh, Snape catches them out in the hall at some point. It’s kind of dark on the sunny day.

Oh, you’re right. It is. And I noticed when he walks away, anytime he walks away, his the way his robe just closed out behind him. It’s kind of that vampire darth vader looking ominous. Um, so good. Yeah. And we could do All kinds of stuff just on Snape, but we won’t. Couple of actors, American actors, who really, really wanted in this.

I think about Harry Potter this way, and Star Wars is similar. Where there’s actors out there, they just want a part. I don’t even care if you see my face. I’ll be, You know, I’ll be one of the guys in the white based on a crazy involved. You know, I just want to be in the film. Uh, the same thing happened when Harry Potter was coming out.

Robin Williams and Rosie O’Donnell both wanted parts in the films as Hagrid and Molly Weasley, Weasley, Molly Weasley, respectively, despite their persuasions. However, Rowling had already said all the actors had to be British, and the only exception to that in the first movie was Chris Columbus daughter allowed to be on set as Susan bones.

But the only way she would allow it was it was a non speaking part. So I think it’s when Susan sorted. I think that’s when we see her. Is that right? She’s one of the ones that would make sense. And so she gets a walk on and you see her but no lines other than that. And I think that was an interesting, I always thought that was an interesting decision by rallying.

I think it was, I don’t think it’s a bad decision. I don’t think that’s discriminatory. I think that she wanted to preserve this as an all British cast. I mean, I’m okay with it. I think that I think that uh, it was her decision to make. But I think I wonder if it was seen as a tricky one. Like if you don’t have more prominent or if you don’t have this or that, you know, but obviously we see it didn’t hurt anything.

[01:10:30] Tim: Well, director Chris Columbus also had his own I have to have, um, for the great hall scenes during the feasts, he wanted actual food. Um, that’s not fake food. Sadly, even though it was changed often, the hot stage lighting on for hours at a time caused a bad smell to develop. And the scenes could take as much as three days to film.

Uh, for subsequent films, they made resin casts out of molds crafted from real frozen food instead. Yeah, there was more typical smell on the safe food. That’s hilarious. 

[01:11:14] Donna: After composer James Horner, and like Rebekah, I’m not great with names unless it’s one that I’ve really locked in, um, but when I read about James Horner, who died at a young age, he was in his early 60s.

He died in 2015. Wow. Yeah. But he had scored Titanic, Avatar, Aliens from 86, Apollo 13, Braveheart, Star Trek, Wrath of Khan, and the list is way longer of well known movies, but I didn’t include them all. Um, he turned down the option to write the score. And then John Williams was approached and ended up being one of three Oscars they won for, uh, one of the three Oscars they won for this was Williams original score.

And I know, looking at that list of movies for Horner, he’s a good, great composer. I mean, those were great, great, uh, scores. But the thought of anybody else but John Williams doing this for me, who’s a purist for, uh, Johnny boy, um, who is, it’s also scary talking about people who have passed away. He’s a very elderly man.

I’m in my head. I’m like, Oh no, Leonard Nimoy’s died. And someday John Williams is going to die and Alan Rick. I mean, you start thinking about that and looking back at the body of their work and how it affected you, your life. It’s a, it’s quite staggering. But for today, John’s healthy. So we’re, we’re happy about that.

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. John love it. Um, unlike. Yes, Hedwig, moment of silence for Hedwig. Sorry. 

This is a 

[01:12:55] Rebekah: reference to a podcast about Harry Potter that mom and I used to listen to. 

[01:12:59] Donna: What about the owls, Pastor Tim? Hedwig was 

[01:13:02] Rebekah: an owl? You’re mourning over Hedwig. She was an owl. You can talk about the owls as we mourn her.

[01:13:09] Donna: And unlike the Albrecht cast that Rowling wanted, she did give in for the owls because all the lob owls that were used in the film were shipped to the UK from Massachusetts. So owls U. S. Actors U. K. 

[01:13:25] Tim: Gotcha. Animals 

[01:13:27] Donna: from the U. S. Yeah. And the bad animatronic Hedwig. We won’t talk about that much. But I did see, I did see also they, there were three different owls that they used, live owls they used as Hedwig.

I think the one used the most was called Gizmo. 

[01:13:44] Rebekah: So 

[01:13:44] Donna: I have a question, 

[01:13:45] Rebekah: Are you guys excited about the max series for Harry Potter coming out in 2026? Or do you think they should have left alone? 

[01:13:55] Tim: I did not know it was happening until you mentioned it. Um, I am not sure. I hope they really work on making it good and not just using it as, hey, this is another way to make more money.

I can see that. 

[01:14:11] Rebekah: How many seasons is it going to be? Anybody know? I already know this answer, but 

[01:14:15] Tim: why wouldn’t it be seven for the number of years they’re in school? 

[01:14:19] Rebekah: 10, 10 seasons, one season will come out each year. 

[01:14:23] Tim: Why? And they’re not 

[01:14:24] Rebekah: using Fantastic Beasts. They have not clarified how they are doing the timeline, but specifically they have said Fantastic Beasts, like the prequel stuff 

[01:14:31] Tim: is not in it.

They’re only in school for seven years. Why ten years? I’ve, 

[01:14:36] Rebekah: good question. I have no idea. Money maybe? I wonder if it’s because they’re going to figure out how to like break up the seasons so that it’s not like, so that you can have interesting cliffhangers, but like mid year maybe? Maybe? Maybe? That’s my only guess.

[01:14:52] Josiah: Okay, here’s an idea. Is it because, so seven, uh, eight, nine, ten, so that would be three, so basically adding half a year. My idea would be that because books five, six, and seven are so much longer, you add an extra season for each of them. But book four is really the first one that’s really long, isn’t it?

Book four and five are kind of two of the longest ones. Four 

[01:15:18] Rebekah: is pretty long. Five is the longest one by a pretty decent margin, but I can see that. 

[01:15:25] Josiah: So I feel like 11 seasons would almost make more sense than 10 seasons. But if you’re splitting up the longest books into two seasons each, 

[01:15:35] Donna: I have no problem seeing Deathly Hallows.

Broken up. I mean, there’s so much, there’s so much that happens in 

[01:15:43] Rebekah: that book. I think the fifth book as well being split up makes a lot of sense. Like, so, yeah, I’m personally just to give my own thoughts. I’m very excited. Um, I think I will watch it like faithfully. I don’t even know if I like it, but I’m gonna watch it.

So, 

[01:16:00] Josiah: so I guess I’m gonna hold out my excitement for when I start seeing cast come in. Once I start seeing some marketing to see, okay, how different is this? Are they, obviously they’re going to go into more detail to get more details from the book, which I know Rebekah must love 

[01:16:17] Rebekah: because it’s canon, 

[01:16:19] Josiah: but boom.

I want to see like what’s the justification, you know, what’s the justification for spending 10 years of our lives another 10 years of our lives. We already spent 10 years of our lives on this. We’re going to spend another 10 years. So they better really justify it with. I want to see like really new modern cinematography, something with a strong vision, not, I don’t want it to look like Christopher Columbus.

Is David Yates attached to any of this? No. None 

[01:16:50] Rebekah: of the original directors and the guy who directed Fantastic Beasts. Is that David Yates as well? Yeah. Yeah, he has not been approached at all. And he said, that’s totally fine. 

Okay. 

Um, I, one of the things I want to see is I wonder if part of it is, if we’re going to have like kind of a, I don’t know if cannon’s the right word, but if we’re going to have like the, this is what people look back on and it is Harry Potter.

Like if they want the opportunity to do it now with like better, um, Better CG options, because I really will say that was something that stuck out watching this again, like going back and watching the first movie, like, like especially Quidditch. Oh my gosh, like the CG is so like the out how much it’s outdated is like so clear now.

And now that we can see what you can do with it 

[01:17:37] Josiah: as Lord of the Rings one. Who does show a little bit of age, but I think it’s a lot better than the Harry Potter one. 

[01:17:46] Donna: I’m excited for the possibility I will really have to be sold on casting, because that’s so important to me. Yeah. But I will also say, like What’s your 

[01:17:58] Josiah: biggest worry about casting?

Nobody Because I think we might agree One of my biggest casting worries is Snape. 

[01:18:03] Donna: Yeah. 

[01:18:04] Rebekah: Mmm, oh man, how do you do, yeah, how do you do that without, without him? Well, I cry every time I see him. You will probably cry at the very beginning having to like, get used to someone else being Snape. But, I will say the casting that I am most excited for, I, this might be an unpopular opinion, I didn’t like Dumbledore through the movies.

Through any of the movies, even like, I don’t think either. Yeah. And I know there’s like a lot of people that are like, Oh no, I only like him or I only like, I just, I didn’t feel, I thought visually they did great, right? Like they’re, they did. The costuming was great. The, all of that was fine, but the actual, like the actor, the way that they acted Dumbledore, the relationship they had with Harry and the other students and the other teachers, it didn’t, ever come anywhere close to the magic and the like, just that really amazing magic is the best way that I can describe it.

Like that really like charming, like mysterious, but not in a scary way like that part of Dumbledore. So I’m hoping that this might be an opportunity for that 

[01:19:11] Josiah: in the movies, especially after the first two. Um, I’m not really worried about Dumbledore they’ll, they’ll probably be able to. God bless Richard Harris.

God bless Michael Gambon. Both of whom have gone off. They have shuffled off this mortal coil and God bless their amazing talent and what they gave us in memories. Uh, but they will probably be able to improve on Dumbledore in the max version. I think that’s fair. 

[01:19:37] Donna: So sometimes we’ll do a little mini game at the end.

I’ve tried to do some quizzing here and there and and stuff, and, uh, you know, sometimes it’s been fun and sometimes it’s gotten just completely crazy and this is a quiz, but it’s kind of it’s for everybody. And I did not know the answer to this. until I saw it this in in researching this. You’ve not heard it before.

Yeah, I’ve not heard it before. So I don’t know if you have or not, if you’ve been seen it, seen enough stuff out there, but what does the Hogwarts motto mean? Would somebody like to pronounce it better than I probably could? I assume 

[01:20:17] Josiah: it’s Latin. I’m going to say it is Latin. Draco dormiens nunquam 

[01:20:22] Tim: titillandus.

That sounds right. I’ll take a guess. Okay. Dragons live under the dorm towers. 

[01:20:30] Rebekah: Josiah, what’s your guess? Rebekah, do you know? No, I don’t. I was going to guess, but. 

[01:20:35] Josiah: You guess. 

[01:20:36] Rebekah: Learning is the greatest adventure. 

[01:20:39] Josiah: Okay. Now, I think these, I think I kind of know what these four words mean, but I don’t know the grammar of Latin.

I think it is sleeping dragons don’t disturb anyone, or disturb no one. And I think those words are like dragon, sleeping, nobody, titillate, or disturb. 

[01:21:02] Donna: Okay. I think all of you hit parts that are important. I’m gonna say Josiah got, got pretty on the nose. At 

[01:21:10] Tim: least the one of us that’s actually had some Latin stuff.

[01:21:14] Donna: Oh, yeah. And he never failed a class in school and he finished school early and he’s better whatever. He’s better than us. No, it’s ridiculous. 

[01:21:27] Josiah: I could have finished school early, but then I learned I could go an extra semester and they would give me money. So I didn’t finish school early. I could have, but I wanted the money instead.

Well, thanks for showing just for clarification. You’re that I gamed this frugal little, you know, 

[01:21:43] Donna: He’s better at money 

[01:21:44] Rebekah: than all of us. Yeah, again, we’re better. You’re better. We get 

[01:21:48] Donna: it. I don’t know. So the uh, translation is never tickle a sleeping dragon. Oh, that’s amazing. I love it. 

[01:21:58] Josiah: Gotcha. Titillate. Yeah.

Tickle. Okay. Pretty sure that, yeah, Draco is never, I was thinking nobody, but that’s no time. Yeah. So dragons 

[01:22:11] Rebekah: sleeping never tickle and it’s kind of the literal translation. I did also 

[01:22:15] Donna: find the, in the book, they don’t do it in the movie at all, but you know, in the book is a, um, At the opening feast, they do the Hogwarts, they sing the Hogwarts, um, the school song or whatever.

[01:22:33] Rebekah: Hogwarts, Hogwarts, Hogwarts, Hogwarts. Yeah, I was gonna look, I was gonna look at the words. The school theme or whatever it is. Okay, I was 

[01:22:37] Josiah: listening to, Dumbledore says everyone choose your own tune. Yeah. The lyrics are the same, but he says, just sing your own tune. I got so much anxiety from imagining everyone’s singing a different tune.

Although I did think it was funny that Jim Dale, did anyone who was listening to the Jim Dale version, did anyone catch what’s what melody he was singing? 

[01:23:01] Rebekah: No, it’s from Oliver. That’s interesting. Well, let’s talk about our final verdicts. Um, and I don’t mind going first. Uh, I saw the first Harry Potter movie in like 2003.

I think it was on, I saw it on DVD with a friend of mine. Um, And it was funny enough, uh, this and the second movie were the ones that my friend showed me that she listened to everything with subtitles on. So I have like a very interesting random memory of like this being why I first started listening to things or watching movies with subtitles, which I have on all the time now.

And I remember watching both of the movies and thinking, wow, this is like such a fun story. And we hadn’t read it before, as we’ve talked about on other episodes for other reasons. I was really taken in. I thought that was really cool. And so I think that it was at that point where I actually read the books.

And so I’d seen it. seen the first two movies before I’d read the books. They’ve become, you know, obviously like one of my favorite franchises. I have so much Harry Potter stuff on my Christmas list every year. It’s insane. Um, but I just, I love memorabilia. I love, I don’t think that there’s ever been another series I’ve read where I felt so drawn into the world.

Um, Like, I don’t know, there’s just something special about it where it was, it was world building in a way that I connected with that was really cool. Um, I don’t always like world building for me is not always the most interesting part of stories depending on how it’s, how it’s done. But anyway, that’s a side note.

I would say I definitely think the book is better. than the movie. Um, the first two movies, now that we have all eight of them out, I actually don’t love the first two movies compared to everything else. My favorite like movies kind of begin with the third movie and on. Um, and I, I think that there were like, we’ve talked about some misses like cutting peeves and a couple of things like that, that really bugged me.

Um, and even last night, I, we, I got to watch it with one of our adult kids that, was here. Owen has never seen any of these. So I said, Hey, I’m going to be watching these over the next several weeks for our podcasts. Like, do you want to watch them? Have you ever seen them? And so he watched it for the first time.

So it was funny being in the room with someone who was completely brand new to it. And he like asked if Hagrid was Harry’s dad. Like, it was really interesting. Like just some of the little things that stuck out to him. But, um, I found myself really bored. Like, I can focus in on the other movies now, but I think I’ve seen the first and second movies so much, and they’re so childish, not childlike at this point.

Like, so much of it seems so silly at this, I don’t know, just kind of re watching them. I just, I can’t like connect with them that much, but I can still connect with the later movies, like even as I’ve gotten older. So book is definitely better for me. And you can still connect with the 

[01:25:55] Josiah: book, the first books.

[01:25:56] Rebekah: I can still connect with the first books. Like I enjoy listening through the books, but yeah, the movies I no longer connect with. 

[01:26:01] Donna: When these came out, uh, the U. S. release of the book was 20, uh, was, uh, 1998. SRebekahca was 10 years old. I thought she was too young. I thought the, I had not read them. Now, I will, I will say that.

But now that I have read them, I still think my answer would have been the same at the time. But we made the decision. And I’m telling you, I got heat for it. later on. I mean, you were totally allowed to read the books because you matured, you were older and I felt like you were more discerning and it was a great time.

And now when I when parents say, Oh my, my kids, you know, have talked about that or they’ve asked me about it. My admonition to them is If you’re okay with reading it, read along with them because the books tell a story of sacrificial love that in a way that I don’t know a lot of other fictional books do.

I’m sure there’s good stuff out there. There’s good lessons and all those things written good other good writings out there. But this story of sacrificial love is she nails it. I mean it’s great and the more I read it and now I’ve read the I’ve listened to the series many, many times and watched the movies many, many times.

I would say that to anybody with, with kids. younger than 11 or 12 when the kids in the book started. Read it along with them and see what you think or read it first and then share it with them. Um, but I’m, I’m still going to go with the book over the movies. I agree with Rebekah. Um, it, they were just getting started.

I don’t think I see it as childish. I don’t think I got that from it. But one thing I have found is When I do rewatch the movies, I’m not as I’m not as negative about the acting of the of the Children as I was when I first saw them. But the more I watch it and even last night, I’m okay with it. And I mean, you can agree or disagree.

That’s fine. But I’m going to choose the book over over the movie. But I think it’s it’s a cool work, and I’m glad we’re covering it. 

[01:28:14] Tim: For me, I would I would choose the book over the film. Um, I am I’m visual, but I enjoyed the details in the book. Some of the things that were a little easier for me in the book were the change of seasons because they were change in time.

That was a little clearer when I first watched the movies. I just didn’t understand. How time was changing or when they were when they were taking place and the really subtle hints, you know the owl flies Flies from a snowy time and then the sky is different Oh, that’s supposed to mean that we’ve changed to spring and in months have passed That wasn’t as obvious in the in the films it was much more vivid in the In the book, but they were very clear that this time had passed, and I thought that was thought that was better.

I thought the details obviously were were better in the in the book and the things they left out of the film. I understand them leaving out most of it, but I liked the book better. The film was good, and it was still good. I like the books better. 

[01:29:30] Josiah: I have an opinion about the kid actors that’s common across a few movies where kids grow up as you, as you watch them.

The characters grow up, you know, Daniel Radcliffe was 11, Rupert Grint was 12, and Emma Watson was 10 when the filming began. And I think that Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint especially. work best in the series in the first few films. I think, I think they work better as kids. I think they were cast because they were cute kids and they grow up and Emma Watson is a star and this beautiful ray of sunshine, but Daniel Radcliffe and River Grant kind of grow up to be a little ugly and they’re a little gangly and they’re a little awkward in their acting.

And I think that it was just, it’s a lot cuter when they’re kids. And I think that they act really well, but I think the movie is fine. I mean, it did what it needed to do. It kickstarted a generation of Harry Potter lovers, but it really is the books where you get the real magic for a myriad of reasons.

We just talked about all these changes that you had to make and I was like, okay, I guess that makes sense to make it into a film, but that doesn’t mean that the book isn’t superior in basically every way. So definitely the book is better for this one. 

[01:30:58] Rebekah: Well, I’m so excited to have started our summer of Potter, uh, obviously.

can expect the next episo movie too. If you enjoy t leave us a five star ratin favorite podcast app. Thos can find us most places o pod to send feedback. If y ideas for future episodes our new online community can find a link to it in

time. Uh, just remember that happiness can be found even in the darkest of times. If one only remembers to turn off, no, to turn on. Oh no, I’ve ruined it. Turn on the light, turn it on. 

[01:31:42] Josiah: And also remember that you are a wizard. Hey, are you a hairy wizard is the distinction? You know what? Maybe Hogwarts, Hogwarts, hoggy, 

[01:31:54] Donna: warty Hogwarts.

Teach us something, please. Whether we be old and bald or young with scabby knees, our heads could do with filling with some interesting stuff. For now they’re bare and full of air, dead flies and bits of fluff. So teach us things worth knowing, bring back what we forgot. Just do your best, we’ll do the rest, and learn until our brains all rot.

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