S02E15 — Silo: Season 2

SPOILER ALERT: This episode and transcript below contains major spoilers for Silo Season 2.

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Featuring hosts Timothy Haynes, Donna Haynes, Rebekah Edwards, and T. Josiah Haynes.

We re-enter the silo armed with wild theories, questionable tech knowledge, and zero chill. Will Juliette crack the code or just break another server? Tune in for bold predictions, reluctant IT villains, and the strong possibility that Bernard’s about to lose his last marble.

Final Verdicts

If you haven’t listened to the episode yet, we recommend waiting to read our verdicts. (But you’re probably grown, so do what you want!)

The book gives us a slow-burning mystery full of quiet tension, layered characters, and big “what is truth?” energy. The show? It throws us into drama, dim lighting, and just enough plot tweaks to make us shout “that’s not how it happened!” every other scene.

Tim: The book was better.
– Book Score: 9/10
– Television Series Score: 8/10

Donna: The book was better.
– Book Score: 8/10
– Television Series: 7/10

Rebekah: The book was better.
– Book Score: 8/10
– Television Series: 4.5/10

Josiah: The television series was better.

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Full Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Rebekah: Hey, welcome to the book is Better podcast. We are a family of four, missing one member today, very sadly. Boo hoo. But, uh, we like to review book to film adaptations, or in this case book two television show adaptations. Uh, we are going to be talking about the second half. Of Wool, which is the first book in the Silo series.

It corresponds to season two of Silo. So spoiler alert, we are going to spoil the entire first book from the Silo series. Um, and because we’re spoiling the second season of the show as well, there’s a little tiny bit there that will spoil some stuff that technically comes from book two called Shift. And uh, there is a possibility that at the end of the episode we might talk a little bit about what happens in future books, but we’ll do our best to make it so you can still listen to this episode before you have started reading Shift or Dust.

Uh, did you say we 

[00:00:55] Donna: will just find that 

[00:00:56] Rebekah: out when we No, but that would’ve been a good pun. I wish Nathan was here. He’s better at puns than I am. So we like to introduce ourselves with a little fun fact. So as we introduce ourselves today, here is what we’re gonna share. Relics are an important part of the Silo Series framework.

So with that in mind, if you had to suddenly leave your home, I could only just grab and take one thing with you, what would it be? I hate this so much because I want to take so many things. I think I would probably grab my laptop. It is the only way that I can make any money. ’cause everything that I do is like online through this one laptop.

And it’s how I would access my bank account and things like that if the internet were still a thing. So theoretically, and you are a speaking person? Oh yes, yes, yes. I am Rebecca. I am the daughter and sister, although not the sister of anybody on today. Uh, and I, yeah, I think I would grab that. Although I would say if it’s like, if like the world is ending and the internet is gone, obviously the laptop is gonna take like a less high priority and I would probably grab like, gosh, I dunno, my car keys.

To try and have the truck to navigate around. ’cause it’s like you don’t need to take your wallet, but you do like having transportation would be good. So those are my two ideas, depending on the nature of the, uh, world ending circumstance. 

[00:02:08] Donna: So my name is Donna and I am the wife and mom of the podcast, and I’m still a mom today.

So there you go. Uh, as Rebecca was talking about the laptop, that sparked a whole nother thought because everything I initially thought of that was like, oh, this is important. Oh, this is important. Well, they could all be replaced. Like I would say, I would pick up my personal Bible and years ago that would’ve been my answer, but now I use the Bible on the internet and the Bible on my phone more than I use my physical copy.

So even though it’s, there’s notes in there, this is important. But another thing that came to mind as she was talking about this, you said that you’d get your laptop. I definitely, that would definitely be a huge priority because my laptop belongs to my work and to my. Company. So I’m so used to taking it with me everywhere we go that I, I would need, that would have to be a consideration.

But then you said key. So in my head I went to, oh, that’s two things. And this brought up another question. So I asked, uh, folks that work for me. In a team building exercise, I asked them once, if we were in a zombie apocalypse and they could take three items in a bag, what would they pick up? And one of their an, the first question I got before we like met to, to discuss this, somebody sent me a question and said, could I carry a firearm and have the bag?

And I was like, well, I mean, if you’re willing to carry it and you’ve got the bag on your shoulder, I guess. I said, okay. So in that respect, you could pick up keys and a laptop. ’cause you could stuff your keys in your pockets. So do your pajamas have pockets or do you wear pajama bottoms or do you wear shorts or something?

It doesn’t have pockets in it. Like that’s a, it’s one of those questions, like you said, it’s hard to, we probably shouldn’t talk 

[00:04:08] Rebekah: about what I wear to sleep at night ’cause it’s not much and it doesn’t have pockets. 

[00:04:13] Donna: I kind of covered that by saying just what you wear in my pockets. I was trying to go PG version and you went full on just bad awful stuff.

Podcast. I know, but you just said version clean podcast 

[00:04:23] Rebekah: instead of version. So I don’t think I should take any flack for that at this point. 

[00:04:27] Donna: Oh, did I? Hmm. 

[00:04:29] Tim: Well, uh, my name is Tim. I am the husband and dad 

[00:04:34] Donna: who’s gonna bring sanity to. 

[00:04:38] Tim: Of, of our insane group. Um, the answer to this probably varies according to whether this is some disaster, a tornado, a flood, um, something that you need to get away from quickly.

But you’re probably going to come back to your house to. See what’s left eventually, or if you’re talking about some kind of an apocalyptic event where whatever you’re carrying will be the only thing you have, period. Mm-hmm. Um, okay. So according to, according to which of those, one is pretty tight. And I doubt very seriously that any of us would only do one if I’m merely running from some kind of a disaster and I, I need to, to take something with me, I’m probably going to take my cell phone ’cause it has more information and more contacts than anything else.

If this is an apocalyptic event, um, one item won’t be enough. But I would probably take, take a weapon of some type, whatever weapon I happen to have, and if I can only take one thing, it would probably be a weapon. If I could take more than one thing, I would probably probably grab my physical Bible and a picture of my family.

[00:05:45] Donna: Aw, I love that. That’s so sweet. We went i’ll technical, and he 

[00:05:50] Rebekah: went a picture and I will say I tried not to cheat in this question, but. What I really wanna say is I have a book bag. It’s what I put my laptop in, so it would have my laptop in it. Mm-hmm. I have a book bag. What you can grab is the 

book bag, 

[00:06:02] Rebekah: a charger, a bunch of cords to charge everything that I have.

Like it has my Bible in it, it has my journal in it. It’s got like a bunch of little toilet tree items and stuff like that. If we 

[00:06:11] Tim: were good. If we were good survivalists, we would say the Go Bagg. Yeah, the go 

[00:06:14] Donna: Bagg. 

[00:06:15] Rebekah: That’s what I want. 

[00:06:16] Tim: That’s it. 

[00:06:16] Donna: So now the follow up to this is what do we think Josiah? Oh my 

[00:06:22] Rebekah: gosh.

I think he would literally sit in his apartment and die. I think he would just let himself be burned alive because he can’t part with anything without having a complex discussion and funeral ritual with it. Like every time he gets a new car or a phone. Mm. He never Listen, listen. See, I was thinking you won’t hear This was 

[00:06:39] Donna: so I’m not upset.

I was thinking he would go to survival mode and say, I don’t, I’m not taking anything. You’ll take a sword. I’m living, I’m outta here. But I don’t know. That’s you’re, you’re very, that’s a very good point. Let me share a plot summary with you. In the second half of the first work of In the Silo Series and the book is, first Book is named Wool.

We again follow Juliet this time to what may be certain death but far from dying just a few feet outside of the silo. She instead discovers the existence of Silo 17 and its few remaining inhabitants. As Juliet befriends solo, the boy turned, middle-aged man who now controls the empty silos. IT department unrest runs wild.

In Silo 18, those from mechanical eventually joined by the Sheriff’s Department and nearly the entire population refuse to be controlled further by it. Security Juliet meanwhile returns to her home just in time to meet Bernard in the room near the Silo exit where they are both set ablaze. As the new rebellion reaches a fever pitch, a mysterious figure enters the picture.

But what is his purpose and is he really the one pulling all the strings?

[00:08:08] Rebekah: All right, so this time let’s talk about some character changes first, then setting in plot. And then when we get to plot, I basically divided it by what happens in Silo 17 and what happens in silo 18. So that’s kind of our format for today. So dad, you wanna kick us off?

[00:08:22] Tim: All righty. Under characterization, well, similar to season one, this, the second season of the show adds quite a few new characters and side plots to fill out its full 10 episode runtime.

Some of these include Mary, the new mayor, who has an oddly sensual relationship with Bernard as he aims to control her. Dr. Nichols seeing a woman, Phoebe, who is hoping to be selected in the birth lottery and. Quite a bit of infighting between various members of mechanical. It’s strange to me, and I will harken back to something I said before.

Uh, we used to kind of laughingly say, oh yes, that’s a TV movie. Books made into films for television, and now we have books made into TV series. Sometimes that’s a faithful adaptation or something that actually is, is great. Sometimes it still has its problems. It used to mean if it was made for TV that it was not as good, probably very likely less good.

Um, like Apple spends a ton of 

[00:09:23] Rebekah: money on the, like these are usually really good shows. And it was well done. Yeah. 

[00:09:28] Tim: Oh sure. Some of the additional characters seem a little bit awkward to me. Josiah talks about, you know, there being no payoff and some of the characters are, are that for me, they’re characters with no real payoff.

[00:09:40] Donna: One of the things we’re also seeing the longer media is out, and as media expands, you know, now you have as the, say, the Star Wars movie series played out. You have the several years ago now, but you have the last 3, 7, 8, 9 come out, right? And so what was, there was a huge frustration over episode seven because people who loved it thought it was a throwback to the original.

People who hated it said, why did you throw back to episode four? Why would you redo that? Do something, da da, da. And so you’re seeing that come into play as well as TV series. Have the option to spread things out. So then somebody has to decide how to flesh this out farther. And I will say, just thinking ahead, that is one of the things that kind of excites me and scares me about a Harry Potter TV adaptation.

So we’ll see if what we think about this, and then as we go forward, see how that plays out. Because it could go really good and it could go really bad. 

[00:10:45] Tim: I have a tend, I have a tendency to, to speak in terms of Disney using, um, anytime Disney gets something that works, they just kill it, reproduce it, and reproduce it and reproduce it.

And, you know, you add new characters that weren’t in the original, they’re barely connected and all those things. This is one of those moments where some of these characters are just there because you need to fill more time. 

[00:11:10] Rebekah: Yeah, I, I felt that a lot. I think the Phoebe example is one where that, I mean, maybe they’ll bring her back in season two or three rather or something like that for more payoff.

But it’s just such a difficult thing for me because at the beginning of season one, holston’s wife, like you have enough time to get to know her, to where like, okay, yes, she was an added character and it was. I mean, not an added character. Holston obviously talks about her in the book, but we flesh her out in the show and immense enough, I was gutted when she died, right?

Like you have time to like develop affection for her and care what happens. But it’s like, what was the point of spending the time with Dr. Nichols talking to Phoebe and like you don’t have enough. At that point, you have so many characters, just like new person, new person, new person, all it’s this. And there’s so much happening that it’s like.

I just don’t care. Like I don’t care what happens to you. I’m sorry. I just don’t. I also, how 

[00:11:57] Tim: many people are in the silo? 

Uh, 10,000. 10,000. 

[00:12:00] Rebekah: I also will note that like when Josh and I were watching this, he has not read the second half of the book yet, and so he watched the show with me and the infighting thing, like mechanical people getting mad at each other and fighting and bitching or pretending to betray and all this stuff at one point.

In the last episode, he’s like, okay, who is getting who? He’s like, who’s even, I don’t even know who we’re fighting, who is fighting? Mm-hmm. And who they’re trying to defeat and how, and it just got really confusing to me. So I, I 

[00:12:26] Tim: wish that didn’t feel like real life though. My, my family, especially on my mom’s side, we were never sure which one was sided with which other, and how we were supposed to respond.

It was that kind of, wait a minute, wait a minute. They’re the, they’re family, right? Yeah. But this one did such and such and now they’re upset with this one. And so we, they don’t associate, and then the next time we come, those two are mad at each other and they’re connected to somebody else. So it is a little confusing, but unfortunately, real life sometimes can be like that.

[00:12:55] Donna: But if there had been infighting. At the beginning of the series, it’s series two, season two. If they had had a moment of that where they’re stressed, they think Juliet’s gone. Gone in the first season. Oh no, the beginning of the second season, they think Juliet’s gone. I could see where the normal human reaction would be.

You’re on edge with everybody, that kind of thing. But to carry it on and to go back and forth, and to me, this is supposed to be a group of people who are so connected, so. You know, they’re so entwined with one another because they’re mechanical. They’re their own 

[00:13:32] Tim: community. Right. And they have spoken about it as the family.

They are part of a family of people, so it is a little bit awkward. Yeah. 

[00:13:41] Donna: Well, I’ll go on, uh, with another characterization change again. Sims is a major part of the TV show, despite being only a minor character from the book. So they continue to develop. So Sims is removed as Bernard’s shadow. He’s pointed, he’s appointed the head of judicial.

To do Bernard’s bidding basically against his will to bid him outta the way. Yeah. Um, then he and his wife end up in the server room after he’s finally appointed again as the it head shadow. 

[00:14:13] Rebekah: So the presence of Walker’s ex-wife, Carla, who we mentioned before. Carla is not a character in the book, is a major plot point during the second half of season two.

Carla is detained by Bernard and his lackeys and her being detained is what leads Walker to seek out Bernard and say, I’ll report on what’s happening or you can listen through my camera or whatever. Uh, with the rebels in mechanical, in exchange for Carla’s Freedom supposedly, which we’ll talk more about, but Walker of the book was a very static character, and I think we mentioned this so we don’t have to talk about it again in the last episode.

But, um, Walker did not have a love interest. Walker basically just stayed in mechanical. He was part of the rebellion, but more relevant in this part of the book in the whole like fixing of the radio, which again we’ll talk about later. 

[00:14:56] Donna: He was very much like the walker per the. Character they built in season one.

He, she was there. Didn’t leave the room. Mu didn’t leave the room. Why Sage 

[00:15:07] Tim: but not actively involved in And what I, in the action and what I also 

[00:15:10] Rebekah: will point out like why Sage and like Walker of the book had never been married. I don’t think like the idea of Walker having a love interest was we heard in very, very left field thing.

[00:15:21] Tim: Well, book Shirley has a husband, mark, we. Hear his name quite often in the rebellion stuff as he travels back down toward mechanical. But Shirley, she frequently worries about Mark throughout the, the rebellion and their attempts to overtake Bernard in it. In the show, Shirley is unmarried and she and Knox seem to develop a romantic relationship.

Well, we’ll, uh, it’ll likely expand in future seasons. We just saw like the very, very, um, yeah, yeah. But this, um, the Shirley, I, I’m thinking that the Shirley in the book isn’t from No though. She’s, 

[00:15:58] Rebekah: because she’s Julie. Yeah, she’s very, no, she’s like, she worked in the other part, friend, and, um, 

[00:16:03] Tim: now, you know, in the, in the show that’s true.

She’s, she’s also that. She’s right there with her. She’s just described, I 

[00:16:08] Rebekah: think she’s like a little bit older too. Like I think that, I believe Juliet’s, like in her early thirties does, and I think Shirley’s like in her forties or something. So she’s not quite as young as she’s shown in the book, in the show.

[00:16:19] Donna: Well, Knox dies in the book during the first leg of the rebellion. And I’ll say I read this part of the book after I saw it in the series and went, oh, what, or am I, I got the right person in the show. He’s an integral part of mechanical’s, overthrow, and is not killed. So my question to the two of you would be, do you think that Knox was enough of a fan favorite in series one that they said, let’s don’t kill it?

Or do you think it was kind of we’re gonna keep it? I 

[00:16:50] Tim: think he was supposed to be the foil. To Juliet. He was preventing her from doing the things mm-hmm. She wanted to do or whatever. And I think the actor, uh, and the way that the role went, he was, he was very likable. He was tough and smart elect. But there’s a lik likeableness to him as well.

He had 

[00:17:10] Donna: a lot of conscience. He had a very tender like conscience about, I wanna do this and I wanna go fight and I wanna, but I’m thinking about this too. I’m thinking about these people or this, how it will affect such and such. Yeah. I can 

[00:17:22] Rebekah: see too, like because of how differently they took the rebellion itself, which we’ll like talk about more in detail.

I can see them maybe wanting to. Keep him, but I won’t be surprised if he dies in the future. Like, I’m wondering if now that they’ve decided to connect him with Shirley, that maybe what happens in seasons three and or four, is that like maybe during like other events that go on, like maybe they wait to kill him off until they’ve like developed this relationship even, you know what I mean?

[00:17:51] Tim: Thanks. George R. Martin, I, Martin never read 

[00:17:52] Rebekah: any of that or watched any of it. So 

[00:17:54] Tim: if you like a character, you like him, we’re gonna kill him. 

[00:17:57] Rebekah: Another new character thing, just a small one. After exposing that the food has been poisoned in an effort to quell the rebellion, farmer Maeve a new show, only character admits to having poisoned it herself at the request of Bernard, I believe, to ensure that her mother was sent to medical for treatment before the down deep was cut off from the rest of the.

Silo, which would’ve cut them off from medical treatment. So that was another kind of, it was interesting like, because at this, this was the point in the show at which I was like, why do you keep introducing me to new people that I don’t care about that much? And like I thought, okay, this could be an interesting character slash side story, but I was very overwhelmed with how many people we had just met.

[00:18:34] Tim: This was the point at which I said to myself, we are trying to kill episode. 

[00:18:41] Rebekah: This could have been five episodes. You could have done all of this in one season. In my opinion, make it a 12 episode season. Yeah. And just do the whole book. I mean, they didn’t follow the book in a lot of ways, but yeah, it was, yeah, we can, I’ll definitely mention that in my, I think at the end too.

[00:18:54] Tim: So Lucas, who does appear in, in both book and film, uh, investigates a code slash cipher for Bernard, and in the process reveals the name Salvador Quinn. It takes him a long time to get to that, uh, bit of information, but he does eventually a Quinn apparently. Was the one who set the last rebellion in motion, and his name is again mentioned as one of the only three people, including George who died in the first series, the first season.

Quinn, and a woman who we assume lived in a much longer. Time, uh, much longer ago. Time, who reaches the tunnel door at the bottom of the silo, a tunnel door at the bottom of the silo. You wonder? Yes. This kind of comes out of nowhere. Uh, and so does Quinn, is he part of the book? This is Don’t completely show.

I don’t, yeah, I didn’t remember his name at all. All again, I’m, 

[00:19:48] Rebekah: I’m interested to see if that comes up again, because like there’s this whole setup where he like goes, Lucas investigates this, and he goes to Quinn’s family and he mentions Salvador Quinn, and they’re so offended. How dare you mention this person’s name?

We’re so ashamed that he’s part of our family. We don’t even keep that name anymore because we’re so embarrassed. That he started the rebellion and it’s like this whole dramatic thing. And the whole thing is just because this is the guy who had like a book or something. I don’t, I literally couldn’t even follow it.

[00:20:15] Tim: But Bernard, Bernard ends up telling Lucas after he’s talked to the family and they’ve denied this person, oh, how horrible that he’s part of our ancestry. Bernard tells him that Quinn saved the silo, that he should be admired, but the information has been, has been hidden. But he saved the silo by his efforts.

What he, what he did. 

[00:20:39] Rebekah: So confusing because is he the leader of the rebellion or did he save the silo? ’cause both of those things are said. Yes. Yes. And it’s like, okay, well what do you mean? Sorry. 

[00:20:48] Tim: Well, but, but that is all because the information had to be hidden because it was part of a rebellion and he was part of that.

Um, the information had to be hidden. But, you know, Bernard has the additional knowledge that he actually did save the silo by his effort. 

[00:21:04] Donna: But part of the struggle is gonna be here. They’ve taken off on a completely different tangent with this person who’s a pretty significant part of their history, who’s not in the book.

So, you know. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that name was Totally, yeah. So they’re basically, yeah. So we’re basically just creating and names. Yeah. Before we had the character 

[00:21:23] Tim: of Sims, who was augmented quite a lot. Yeah. But he was mentioned in the book, 

[00:21:28] Donna: but, and Salvador Quinn, those two names don’t go together. Call him Salvador Quinto or something.

It sounded weird. 

[00:21:35] Rebekah: Alright, so if you can hear my eyes Rolling, say it with me, uh, in both the book and show a group of young adults and or children attacks. Solo while Juliet is underwater in Silo 17. Okay. What, however new people, the characters are completely different. Oh my gosh. So different. Um, in the book, they’re mostly scared and confused Kids.

They’re really way too young to be having children themselves, which is something Juliet thinks to herself. Whereas the show demonstrates them definitely as young adults. Um, there’s a young man and two young women. The young man is with one of the women, you know, for lack of a better term, they seem married ish.

I don’t know that I remember his name, but he’s with Audrey. Audrey is blood thirsty. Girl. I was like, homegirl better die. Like, I don’t want this one to make it. Like, and I felt bad. Tim is, I think we said the same thing. I 

[00:22:28] Tim: I could not watch it silently. Oh my, I made way too many comments. Oh my gosh. She 

[00:22:32] Rebekah: was awful.

And I’m like, okay, okay, okay, okay. Spend your disbelief. This girl has grown up with like four people and one person that they call Killer or whatever. The killer. No, no, no. I’m talking about what they called solo. They called him and it was like, oh, so, you know, yes, I get it. Okay. I, this is not someone that I necessarily need to like, but she was so blood thirsty and she has two kids, and I’m like, what is, let’s just 

[00:22:53] Tim: kill her.

Her, the writing did not, the writing was, was super 

[00:22:57] Rebekah: solid ’cause it didn’t make me care about her. It made me hope that she failed as a mother of two young children. Like, I don’t know. I felt really awkward to feel that way. There was another young girl, um, well, young woman, they called her eater and they, uh, her name was later revealed to be Hope Eater, or Hope was an outcast to the other adults.

The other two of them. But like stuck around and they called her eater ’cause she was just another mouth to feed and blamed her for their parents all dying, which was like this whole weird side thing too. So instead of like a pregnant young girl with a baby, um, and she did have like a mate. And I think that Juliette comments in the book that they seemed like maybe 14 or 15 years old.

Um, these people were definitely in their like twenties, maybe early twenties. In this case, yeah. Uh, the couple in the show has a young child, a maybe four or 5-year-old, and then also an infant. So you like add in another child. I think that there were four total kids in the book. Does that sound right? If you include the baby, that 

[00:23:52] Tim: sounds right.

And so and so, because there was one that was like 10. Well, no, I think there might’ve been more. I think there might’ve been more because you’ve got, because you’ve got the girl that’s have three children pregnant. I think there were like three boys. Mm. And then there was the, there was only one girl, right?

The father in the book. Don’t think there 

[00:24:09] Rebekah: was a second female. Anyway, it was just a very, they do introduced the characters that are like also living in 17, but the rest of what they did with him was totally different and completely left field from the book. So, 

[00:24:22] Donna: opinion question, similar to my question about Knox being kept alive.

Do you think the girl was made so antagonistic and so the blood thirsty is actually a great word because it was, it was just un, the writing was uncomfortable. Do you think part of that was to give an opportunity for Juliet to holler at them all and tell them they’re all supposed to be surviving together and what are you doing?

You’re all that’s here. Why are you not getting along? And she gives this big a garnish survival speech. I wondered like, were you trying to build up to that? Because you could built up, I can see that you didn’t have to make the girl quite that, but the Oh, she was very frustrating. 

[00:25:04] Tim: Her character’s, one of those that if she’d fall, if she’d fallen off the staircase, you would’ve kind of gone, oh no, she’s not here around talk anymore.

And, and that’s sad. And I, I realize that this is a character, see that this is not real person, so don’t get on my case. I can 

[00:25:18] Rebekah: see that as like, yes, we wanted Juliette to have this big speech moment, but it was still Juliette who like yeah, brought them together with solo in the book. Like she’s the one that did the whole, like, she still did that.

It just wasn’t quite as like big inspiring speech, you know? So maybe 

[00:25:33] Donna: so another change that I’m, that’s a great, totally puzzled by. Yeah. Juliet’s father, Dr. Nichols dies in season two of the show, but not in the book. He chooses to sacrifice himself in the midst of the plot to trick Bernard into believing he knows what the rebels are planning.

They had such a great relationship building thing in this story. I don’t know him. Why? I have to think. I’m gonna go back to these other two que questions I asked. Did the actor say, Hey, guess what? I’m not gonna be able to do this. It 

[00:26:11] Rebekah: felt weird like that, so I’m not gonna be able to come back. Okay, here’s my one theory.

Why? Maybe because they decided to keep NOx. Which maybe they had originally planned for Knox to be the one that did that because he does die in the book. I wonder if like Knox was a fan favorite and maybe people didn’t like Juliet’s dad, but I agree with you that they had so much buildup with like Juliet coming back to her father.

That’s like a huge payoff thing in the books. Um, and it continues on like, yeah, I don’t know. 

[00:26:37] Tim: I think he’s the 

[00:26:38] Rebekah: main baby doctor. 

[00:26:39] Tim: My theory, well, not just. Baby doctors, but I mean, yeah, he’s the doctor. Um, and they really take advantage of the fact that he’s a doctor down in, in the mechanical because they’re separated, uh, from any other help, which is why that other character from the cafeteria that poisoned the food was so important.

Right. They were gonna be cut off from medical. Um, my theory is the same one that occurs way too often, especially in television shows, because they have a tendency to be longer. You know, the commitment is longer for the actors. Um, the, in the first season or early in the second season, perhaps, of Downton Abbey, uh, I believe one of the characters, he said he wanted to purs the actor wanted to pursue other roles, and so they wrote him out of Downton Abbey.

Oh. He had an, they had a child, got married, had a child together, Matthew, and was in an accident and died. It was getting, it was, it was a horrible sudden kind of thing that, um, didn’t seem to fit in the plot. Uh, it just, it seemed like, you know, it seemed strange. And then lo and behold, you get more information from the actor.

He did request to leave, so they killed him out of the show. That’s happened many, many times through the years. When actors want to leave, want to pursue something else, it doesn’t always work for them. That, that happened on Dallas. It’s actually why, why the whole season? That was Bobby’s wife’s dream. Oh, yeah.

I’ve heard about this. I never watched it, but yeah. Dallas. That dream. Yeah, it was a dream season. Yeah. You know, people died and all that kind of stuff. Well, it was because the actor who played Bobby, a popular character, wanted to pursue other things. Those other things didn’t work. They killed him off in the series and then, well, they needed to bring him back.

How do you bring back a dead character? He never 

[00:28:30] Donna: died. Well, 

[00:28:31] Tim: we just say it was a dream. Well, it was his wife’s dream. So in the 

[00:28:36] Donna: weird, the weird thing with the, when you talking about Downton Abbey, and we may, I mean, who knows, we may find this similar thing here, and Josiah might vehemently disagree with me.

I haven’t talked to him about this. But Matthew is what made Mary. Likable and then they killed him and the fans. He was one of the top, definitely a fan favorite here. We love him characters. And they took him out and he did a, you’re right, he said it was my decision, but the fans went insane because Mary’s just kind of not Yeah, I don’t see, 

[00:29:09] Tim: see in the silo way off silo, but yes.

Go back to silo. Well, but I mean, in, in silo, we’ve got this circumstance in the book where we are going to see this restoration of Juliet’s relationship with her father. They’ve been doing bits and pieces of it before. Now she’s left her silo and comes back and has that opportunity. Except in the show that opportunity’s not gonna be there.

So that’s, that’s just really weird. That’s gonna be really weird. Well, there are some setting changes that we want to cover. While the heat tape is definitely a primary factor in Juliette, safely making it between the silos. Mm-hmm. Twice the beginning of season two doesn’t show her as urgently rushing to get back inside.

In the same way as the book the book described the heat tape, even the good kind eventually falling apart as whatever was in the exterior air degraded it rapidly. By the time she reached Silo seventeen’s interior, her suit was literally starting to fail. So that’s a, that’s a little different, um, setting and it’s, I suppose that works for setting, but I 

[00:30:14] Rebekah: don’t, I can’t really tell you exactly it is important, why it’s important, but it, there were a couple things like this in the show though, that like, I thought, oh, oh, how are you gonna, isn’t that, what do you mean?

How is that gonna. So in the book, there’s a lot of emphasis on the difficulty and expense of communication in different areas of the site silo. Mm-hmm. Juliet talks about like, oh, it’s so expensive. Like it’s so many chits or partial chits, which is their like currency. Her character just to send a digital message versus the expense of paper.

And like she kind of eternally muses. Like, it’s weird because paper is a commodity in itself and you have to have someone then run it up and down the stairs with a porter, which is also more expensive. And so she was like, oh, this is so weird. And so as things unfold, they kind of emphasize more, they’re like, oh, we are being intentionally kept from communicating openly and freely with one another.

Like by design, like it’s on purpose. And so that was just a setting change that I think they didn’t wanna focus on. ’cause it, it’s a little like less relevant to the story. And so I think that like the, I would say that this is one thing I will say very positively about the show. I think that it very.

Well showed like what, what it would feel like in this kind of environment. Like all of the ways that they communicated and even the technology itself felt very believable and consistent to me. 

[00:31:40] Tim: Yeah. But it was really strange because in the book, I felt like the technology at times looked like it was farther along.

Yes. It looks like it’s, looks like it’s in the, the eighties or nineties in the television show, and everything’s kind of frozen there. But in the book, it seems like some bits of technology they have and you know, they use Yeah, I think it also goes to the 

[00:32:04] Rebekah: idea, and in the book, I think this is really well fleshed out by Howie.

It seems clear that like everything is designed so that the way that people think about things is like, oh, that’s just the way that it is. And there’s so much in the society that discourages innovation and creativity so people don’t invent things. Right. I mean, Juliet’s mother was literally in the show, they sh like, I thought this was an interesting thing in the season one that we talked about.

Right. But she was shown essentially. Like being punished very severely for trying to invent new technology. And so those kinds of things are discouraged in such a way that like to them there isn’t like, oh, this seems like newer technology, or, oh, this seems like older technology. It’s like, no, technology never changes.

No one is allowed to innovate. 

[00:32:51] Donna: Yeah. And it also reminds you that until at least this, we get to this story, so for however many years, and we’ll talk about the difference in book a series there too, it’s been, since this all started, nobody questioned why you couldn’t send messages. Nobody apparently. Well, but again, we don’t know that because they, 

[00:33:13] Tim: well, no wait.

They did say, they said that the re, there’s a rebellion every so many. Years. Was that? Well, no. 120 years. That’s true. I thought more than that. A hundred, something like that. That’s true that there’s been a rebellion every time, but, but there hasn’t been a rebellion in a long time now. And after Time Rebellion again, they kind wipe 

[00:33:34] Rebekah: it like the histories are wiped for the most part.

So it’s like even if people would start to question those things, that all would be ignored and cut out from any documentation. You know what I mean? Like nobody would ever know that anybody else had ever thought this. 

[00:33:49] Donna: So another. Uh, thing we learn about setting change is the second half of season two.

Uh, tells us the silo was built supposedly 252 years ago, but the date that Juliet goes out of the silo exactly is exactly 300 years after the people began living in the silos. So that’s like a, according to the book. According to the book, she’s, there’s, that’s like a, which also such a weird number. Like why would you choose 252?

We discovered it’s 

[00:34:20] Rebekah: kind of more interesting to me that it was exactly a specific number once I look that up. All right, so reminder, we’re going into some changes to the plot and timeline. Um, we’ve got one quick recap thing and we’ll talk about plot and timeline for the silos separately, so we will kind of be jumping back and forth if you’ve watched the whole season two.

We’re gonna go back and forth because we’re gonna cover all of Silo 17 first and then go to 18. 

[00:34:45] Tim: Okay, here it goes. The beginning of the show’s second season recaps what occurred during season one, then shows a flashback of what happened to Silo 17. I. During its rebellion, decades earlier in the book, the story of this rebellion is unfolded.

Mm-hmm. As Juliet and Solo talk, this 

[00:35:03] Rebekah: was one of my favorite things throughout about the show, I thought, like, I remember watching season two episode one. First of all, I wrote in my notes what a good recap because a lot of shows that do stuff like that, like their recaps are not as helpful as I want them to be.

It was a full five minutes long of what happened in season one and I loved it. Um, and then I felt like the way that they showed you silo seventeens rebellion somehow, despite the fact that we didn’t know any of these characters, it was completely new. I cared, I loved it, I followed it. I was engaged with it.

So the way that they did that I thought was very, very good in the show specifically, like I don’t mind show in the book. I think in the book it made more sense. Okay. Conversationally. But that would’ve been really boring in the show. Like this is one of those things that I think does translate to beach.

It needs to be changed to translate visually. Um, so I really like visually in the show and in the book, but it was just very different from one of the other. So to 17, as we watch Juliet escape into 17, we see decayed bodies clearly destroyed by many years on the outside, on the inside. The echoes of death in the show look much the same.

They’re also decayed skulls, no skin, whatever. However, the book is very careful to describe the piece inside as oddly eced, which is probably a minor, not just probably, which is a minor Easter egg. We learn more about in the second and third books, which I wanna tell you more about. You guys need to read them.

You guys are gonna have to read them. 

[00:36:27] Tim: But you have to, hang on. 

[00:36:28] Rebekah: We want you to read them and we as me. Just me. So in 

[00:36:32] Donna: the book, solo had explored much of the silo. For one, it gave him a lot of places to use the bathroom. And I thought this was a weird thing in the book. Like I, I got why they described it the way they did, just so you would understand the experience that he’s had to have had and what all this meant over whatever, 30 some years.

So gross. They talked about it so much 

[00:36:53] Rebekah: in the book. I was like, okay, 

[00:36:55] Donna: show solo. Never ever left it until Juliet finally convinced him to early on in the series. I’m glad he did. I thought it was interesting the way they did it. But 

[00:37:07] Tim: do, do we think that all of the food that he had was the canned stuff that.

That was in there. Well, he had a ice cream that was stored in it because if he never left it, he never went, he never went to the, he had ice cream growing places. So I think in the show’s 

[00:37:22] Rebekah: version, their backup power, I mean, ’cause his, his server room clearly had power, right? Like, so it, what I’m guessing is s to have, there was enough that was like refrigerated or frozen, that he also had that because he gave them ice cream like in the final episode or whatever.

[00:37:37] Tim: There’s some indication that, that there’s a power source from outside that it, and he had, there’s power in it. They mention that several times as well. But I guess what I’m clarifying 

[00:37:47] Rebekah: is yes, it seems like there was more power sent there or that he had, yeah, at least some food in refrigerators or freezers.

Freezers at least. So can you imagine eating 40-year-old ice cream? 

[00:37:57] Tim: Well, um, get ready for a whiplash. The TV show takes a major detour from the book plot in terms of how Juliet learns more about what’s really happening. The book shows Juliet with solo in the server room, exploring and learning a lot from the legacy, which is, you know, all the history and things.

She also talks at length with Lucas over the phone, who is at that time shadowing Bernard in it. And we get to that a little bit in a little bit. In the show Solo tells her about how a person in their silos. Was sent out to clean, refused to clean, and this is what caused the rebellion to begin, which is why Juliet believes she has to return to her silo to stop them from leaving 18 and dying outside.

Remember, it has made the goggles that they wear, it’s lush. When they go outside they think, oh wow, it is beautiful. It is wonderful. And so everybody cleans. Well, Juliet realizes that that is a false image. It is still dangerous outside. And she like, if I remember correctly, 

[00:39:03] Rebekah: solo tells her about how, like the other people doesn’t he tell her about like the other people that talk on the silo phones and like, but in the show they like cut silo 17 off immediately when they realize like silo one or whatever cuts them off really early.

So he doesn’t have any of that communication and I don’t know in the book if he had the communication, but like he tells her more about. How many silos there are and like the information about the other silos dying that have died and like, you know what I mean? Like there was just a lot more that she’s like getting a, a much larger picture.

Yeah, there’s more. Because by the time she goes back to 18, she obviously goes back for a very one specific reason. But when she goes back to 18, she also is like, we’re not going to let these unnamed, faceless people control us, because I know all of the ways that they’ve decided to control the silos. I don’t know.

[00:39:58] Tim: Well, it seems like in the book that mm-hmm. Solo has gained a great deal of knowledge. Um, strangely in the show he’s been locked in it, basically in all of that it place. But he’s been with the legacy. He’s, he’s learned a lot, so he really should know all of those things of, 

[00:40:20] Rebekah: but it, they kind of make it so that the things he’s learned are like about animals and the outside, which is also true, but like, I feel like it cuts out so much of what he actually would know about the reality of the silos and yeah, the things that he had access to.

So that was very strange for me. 

[00:40:37] Donna: Well, Juliet only goes into the water once. With solo to turn on the pumps to get the water to recede. Okay? This is in the book. In the show, however, she goes down twice the first time. She wants to get a few floors down, but the second time solo demands, she go all the way down to mechanical to turn on the pumps, warning her that she can’t come up too fast or risk getting the bins.

And I was gonna say in our last little fact here that the Tim shared, that’s a lot of knowledge for him to have about the bins. I, I can see where he could get it maybe, but he remember this is in 

[00:41:16] Tim: the legacy, in all of those histories, how much of 

[00:41:19] Donna: is he, how much of the legacy does he know? Those are massive 

[00:41:21] Tim: books and all of that.

That’s 

[00:41:23] Donna: my thing though. He started there when he was 12 or so. So how much of this would he really get? Would he understand? I just thought that was like. Extra medical knowledge for, I, I don’t know, maybe I’m, it does seem like a lot of extra medical stuff because he was so specific about it, like, almost like it was an Easter egg.

You could get the bins and this could happen to you and this could, and he, I remember him going through and I was like, 

[00:41:43] Tim: I guess, I guess I see it slightly differently because when I was a teenager, there were a series of books, I don’t even know exactly what they’re called now, but each, each one of the little booklets, it was about the size of a magazine and it was, you know, nice artwork and all, was a very concise explanation of things.

Like, there was, there was one a, a about the presidents, you know, it gave you just synopsis of pres, so you got a lot of knowledge in a little bit of thing. And they had bunches of those kinds of things, like what it means to do deep sea diving and different things like that. And, you know, mountain climbing.

So each one was a different kind of subject. They weren’t that long, but they contained a lot of. Clear knowledge, layman’s terms. 

[00:42:28] Donna: But you cared about, but you cared about things like that. I loved 

[00:42:30] Tim: it. Yeah, I loved it. But what I’m saying is there were things like that available. So I don’t have a problem saying, why couldn’t he have found those?

They were the books for young readers that, you know, explained those things. The 

[00:42:41] Donna: fun facts I got was if you pee on a jelly fish tank, which is totally not even true, I think you got, okay. That’s why 

[00:42:48] Rebekah: I ran television show. You got that from the show friends. Yeah. And then you told me that. And then when we were in The Bahamas.

Mm-hmm. Then I ran out of the water screaming Somebody pee on me really loud and dad refused. ’cause he doesn’t love me. And so then I think literally my, this is so random. I have, that’s such a like vivid memory. Mm-hmm. And one of my favorite memories of it is, I can’t remember which one of you it was, but I think it was one of the two of you that said, I have never seen you move that fast in your entire life until just now.

Like, you’ve never ever moved like that. So you didn’t hit the bends like Juliet could have. Did not. I did not get the bends. Well, Juliet did. Remember she had to go back. Yeah. Didn’t swimming, you didn’t go 

[00:43:27] Tim: deep down. You have to go a certain distance before that. Oh, 

[00:43:29] Rebekah: um, no. The idea of me deep seat diving is about, that’s about as likely as me jumping out of an airplane.

So you 

[00:43:38] Tim: and I went snorkeling in the hum. Yes. Not see where I can touch the air with my hands because we’re not, not really far in the water where the. Yeah. Above the surface. Mm-hmm. Correct the water. Yes. 

[00:43:47] Donna: But in the book, unlike the little snorkeling adventure, uh, the single trip was all the way to mechanical to drain the water and potentially access the generator later on, which wasn’t really 

[00:43:59] Rebekah: Wait, she, they don’t talk in the show right about, that’s like not even part of it.

They’re just trying to turn on pumps. Right. In the book, it was like she wanted to be able to access the generators so that they, she could potentially get silo 17 on. Right. 

[00:44:13] Donna: In the show. In the show the deal was get the water to recede. That was all he, that was all he cared about. Yeah, that was it. 

[00:44:18] Tim: But did she get the pump running?

[00:44:20] Donna: Yeah, the water was the show trip. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, both works show her nearly drowning in the ordeal. Although the first time she almost drowns in the show was because Solo left her and stopped pumping air. ’cause he was afraid he left the vault, the server room open. 

[00:44:38] Rebekah: I had a really hard time. With solo leaving her ’cause he thought the vault to the server room was open.

I think partly, again, this is because you’re going back and forth so much and everything is so much further away from like when it happened. Like the next time you see it is like several hours watching later. It just, it, it didn’t seem believable and it just made solo seem like it lost a lot of the favor he’d gained in my head of like, oh, I really want this guy to succeed.

And it just, it, this was like a big stretch for me. I just did not, it, I don’t think it was believable because we really haven’t met at this point. Okay, this is why, this is why I was like, I know there’s a reason we have not met any other people in the silo. 17. Why would it matter if you left the door open?

Like there’s no, well, the 

[00:45:29] Tim: only thing that we do get is the scene where I. Where his father said, don’t open the door as the sheriff or whomever shoots him outside the window. Yeah, but that was 

[00:45:42] Rebekah: later. That’s all later. Don’t later. The first time she’s underwater and he stops pumping is like, you don’t even have an inkling.

[00:45:48] Tim: Well, but we don’t have an inkling, but, but then we come to know why he was so, 

[00:45:55] Rebekah: yes. But don’t you think, don’t you think the problem is still that it’s so far removed from when it happens that it, I don’t even, it’s like it happens and it’s not like later that episode we meet people and we’re like, oh, that’s why he was freaking out.

It’s like four episodes late, like. Yeah. Two movies worth of time later. Yeah. You know, well, 

[00:46:13] Tim: we always have to deal with the fact that some, some writers and directors treat their audience, uh, in such a way that they like hand feed them, uh, spoon feed them everything. So just in case they don’t get it. And other times they expect, okay, this’ll be good enough, you’ll get it.

I think this was the case where they were thinking, well, you’ll get it. Our audience is gonna be smart enough to get it. And we would be, except you’re right, it was so far removed. It’s kind of like doing something in part one of a big movie, uh, waiting six months, and then the payoff is in the, the end of the second movie.

And people are like, did that. Did that connect to something? Was there somehow, you know, because it’s easy to forget the connection, 

[00:47:03] Donna: so you had a lot of different little things go on there. Where to me, when I saw she went into the water the one time, then she went the second time when she went down the second time and he was so insistent and they go through all this stuff and he like threatens her, I’m not gonna do this for you until, all I could think of was we already established in the first book the issue she had with water and the thing with George and why are we coming back?

Why the water all the time? What’s the deal? I just felt like it’s the overkill to show her heroism. 

[00:47:35] Rebekah: I think that it was trying to be a setup and payoff for like she’s so afraid of water and she can’t swim because they don’t have any reason to learn that. And then she’s so afraid of drowning and then like overcomes her fear.

But I think that the places that they showed it happening were so far removed from one another that it did not feel like a payoff at all. Like it didn’t feel like, oh, she’s overcome her fear of drowning. It just felt like this is the next thing that she has to do to accomplish this thing. And oh, it’s uncomfortable.

Like it didn’t feel like, I didn’t even remember until reading my notes. Like, yeah, they showed that she was afraid of drowning in the first, like it just was so 

[00:48:10] Donna: far removed. And to something Josiah said in the last episode, Rebecca Ferguson is killing this. She is so amazing in the series. She did. She’s amazing.

So then, and yeah, she’s an executive producer, so. It’s like, do you just wanna, who knows? To 

[00:48:24] Tim: every actor who, who finds a way to invest in themselves. Yeah, 

[00:48:29] Donna: exactly. But so then I have to think, is this more of just displaying her heroism? Well, newsflash, you’re displaying it. She’s, she’s doing it even with the, you know, without having to add a lot.

It’s almost like it gets too contrived. Um, but there again, one positive thing I got from it was from the beginning of season two to the end of season two, I felt like you had this picture of solo and you started out being kind of scared of him and not sure what this was gonna end up like to feeling so much sympathy and so much compassion for him.

Mm-hmm. And Steve’s on. The actor does a great job, brought this part. He was so convincing in each really great, each way they developed him and then to get to the end and, and you see him grow, you saw him grow, um, where he was completely, he couldn’t touch anybody and was just a, a, a recluse to being able to accept these other people and want to care for them and want to share ice cream and want to share with the children.

So, I mean, that’s, that was a huge win for me in, in this, I. 

[00:49:43] Rebekah: When she says he was only 12, like, and you hear her like experience that you’re like, it definitely does contextualize a lot of the stuff that really frustrates you about him earlier on. So, so, uh, solo is deemed as somewhat of a caretaker of the group of young people that they discover in silo 17, just before Juliette goes back to her home in the book.

So like, she does sort of, like I said before, connect them. It’s just not in some big meaningful speech. Like, it’s just like, Hey, you’re technically the adult in the room now. I know it doesn’t feel like it, but you’ve gotta take care of these kids. Like, and they were more scared than just, you know, defensive and stuff.

And so, but one 

[00:50:24] Tim: of the kids is pregnant, right? Yeah. Wow. 

[00:50:27] Rebekah: Yeah. Well, the girl that already has a baby is pregnant, right? Mm-hmm. She already has a baby and she’s pregnant? Yeah. And 

does she have a baby in the book? I’m, 

[00:50:34] Rebekah: yeah. I think, ’cause there’s, she doesn’t have two children in the book. She’s, or in the show.

She’s already got two kids. One’s a baby and she’s not pregnant in the book. She has a, like, young child and I thought they were just 

[00:50:45] Tim: all a baby. I thought they were all too young, but maybe I, maybe I’m missing some of it. I, I was thinking she was pregnant, but that was mm-hmm. Just, she was just pregnant. I could be wrong.

A lot of it, I’m not sure. 

[00:50:56] Rebekah: It’s really hard. A lot of it just dissolves together in the TV show, solo does show them his server room and he doesn’t seem to be charged with caring for them in any way. So like by the time Juliette leaves, I would say they’re all kind of on the same level. O other than like solo trying to.

Stop some of the kids from learning about, you know, the, who’s teaching them the protocol or whatever they call it, the thing at the end, safeguard p procedure. He doesn’t want ’em to learn about that. But otherwise they kind of seem mentally on the same level. Um, before Juliette leaves, she also refuses to promise Eaters slash hope that Juliette, she will return to their silo because she doesn’t know what’s gonna happen when she goes back to 18.

But she does tell Solo that she’ll do her best to get there. Um, in the book, this is like a lot cleaner. She just promises to come back 

[00:51:43] Tim: in the show. This is extremely emotional though. True. I I think in, in both cases it’s very emotional because he really wants her to come back. Mm-hmm. And she really wants to come back.

[00:51:54] Rebekah: And to be fair, you do in the. Book. There’s also some of it’s emotional in a different way because they already have a method of communication because they know they can communicate through both Yeah. The walkie talkie stuff, and they can communicate on the phone through it, if possible. And so in the, in the show, it’s like, oh, I don’t know what will happen.

And it’s not like I can communicate with you. Mm-hmm. Like, she doesn’t realize that’s even a possibility. 

[00:52:16] Donna: And, and hope, like, you know, at this point, hope has finally found somebody that doesn’t. Just hate her. Oh my gosh. And wanna kill her and wanna kill her and hope she dies and hope she dies. And you wanna heart wrenching.

So yeah, it is, it is a very emotional, 

[00:52:31] Tim: meanwhile 

[00:52:32] Donna: whiplash, 

[00:52:33] Tim: uh, in silo 18, Mary, the new mayor, has a few show only plot points, including that she talks Bernard into not. Following the order at one point to try and save the silo after Juliet refuses to clean. Mary and Sheriff Billings also discuss the fact that they don’t believe Juliet asked to go outside.

She and Bernard reveal at one point that they each have cleaning suits to use in an emergency. They’re cleaning suits are at least their suits to go outside in. 

[00:53:01] Rebekah: Yeah, I guess they wouldn’t be cleaning. It threw me off a little bit that like, I don’t know. It felt like he had this weirdly sensual relationship with Mary.

Sorry, Bernard does, which I mentioned, you know, we mentioned earlier. Mm-hmm. Which I was really weird about. Weird. And then also he had that, we watched it long 

[00:53:16] Tim: enough ago that, that she just, her picture disappears. My head just doesn’t come to mind. Yep. 

[00:53:21] Rebekah: No, I totally get it. But same with, uh, judge Meadows.

He also had this like weirdly like close relationship with Judge Meadows. Pretty low. Ugh. I don’t know. The only you know Mary and Billings, though they don’t have chemistry, so that’s good. They don’t have that kind of 

[00:53:35] Donna: chemistry. But they gave this, the whole, that episode where killed her. He ate dinner with her.

Oh my gosh. And then went over and put his hands on her shoulders as she was. Dying and he’s trying to tell her good, encouraging. I thought, okay, it is weird. Are we, what are we doing with Bernard here? Are we establishing that he’s tic full on sociopath? Like, I’m just getting such joy out of this. But then he doesn’t, you can see he gets more and more tortured as you go along.

And so that was, yeah, through. You could throw that out. I will. Kind of maybe skip that if I ever watch this again. 

[00:54:12] Rebekah: Um, so mentioning another character that came up that was a show only thing, Dr. Nichols isn’t supposed to remove Phoebe’s birth implant. She, we finally see, I believe the screen that basically says the wording, but it was like it said that she was not selected for the birth lottery or whatever.

Um, and so he was supposed to fool her like we saw happen to Holston’s wife in the first season, and he chooses to actually remove her implant. Anyway, that was my best guess for that season one setup as like what the payoff was supposed to be and honestly, not good enough. That felt like such a weird filler, fluff thing.

It was not. Like, I wanted to care because I cared about Holston’s wife and like, I really liked Juliet’s dad and like all that stuff, but like, I just didn’t, like, I don’t, I don’t care. 

[00:54:58] Donna: And, and it was a lot of the part of it, he, her dad was so conflicted and so tortured over what he knew and what he was expected to do and all those things, but then they just drop it off.

The shouldn’t that shouldn’t the repopulation issue, shouldn’t that be a topic we look at and figure out because of what they’re doing here? Yeah. There’s only 10,000 people, you know, and maybe they’ll revisit. So I alluded to this disgusting scene. Uh, Bernard Murders Judge Meadows by Poison In the show, she becomes aware of it.

He hands her a VR headset with a 2018 jungle footage to watch as she dies. So weird. Then she sets Sims, uh, sims. And Bernard then set up the people in Mechanical for the murder. They, they framed them now, the framing part. I see. They want to cover their butt, and so they, they framed the people in mechanical.

But this whole thing was weird. I almost felt like, okay, judge Meadows kind of the opposite of Knox, where he was really loved and people really seemed to care about him. You hadn’t done enough with her, so we better just kill her off somehow. So let’s just do that because I, I’m starting to see more and more of this as let’s do something that responds to what we think the people are liking.

And it gets weirder. Like it’s then stuff doesn’t go together well. But, um, yeah, I, yeah. The, the meadows, does that set, that framing, that framing set us up for the rest of the second series? 

[00:56:31] Rebekah: I wish Meadows wasn’t in the show. I, I genuinely still don’t understand why she was in the show. I feel like it was an unnecessary add-on.

I think I would’ve, like we said earlier, I think I would’ve been less annoyed at like, SIM’s family being in the show as a weird added, unnecessary set of characters. If she hadn’t been in it. But it also annoyed because it was like, okay, what’s the power structure? It doesn’t need to be as confusing as you’re making it seem.

It just felt like such a distraction. And then on top of it, you add this like weird tension between her and Bri. Like, no, it doesn’t make sense. It’s pointless, 

[00:57:04] Tim: I think. I think the power structure is supposed to seem weird. It’s supposed to seem clear, but it’s not. You’ve got the mayor who’s in charge, although the judge has to sign off on things and they’re the, they’re the top in judicial, but then you also have the head of it who doesn’t have any of those powers, but they kind of do then.

Then you get inside all of that and it’s like the sheriff answers to it. The mayor answers to it. The judge answers to it. So the one that seems like the fourth man on the totem pole is the one who actually calls all the shots, but I think it’s supposed to be a little confusing. ’cause that structure causes people to say, well, the, this person does this and you know, their separation of powers and this person does that, and separation of powers.

And so everybody’s doing their job, not realizing that they’re living under a dictator, a single person who dictates everything. 

[00:58:00] Rebekah: Yeah. I mean, maybe. I don’t think that was, I don’t think that was clear. I think that you’re giving maybe, I don’t know, maybe I’m not giving it enough credit or you’re giving it too much.

I don’t know. I I mean, you could be getting into giving much 

[00:58:12] Donna: credit. You, you are, um, dangerously close to describing the deep straight and the military industrial complex. Ooh. So what happens to us when Josiah is gone? 

[00:58:21] Rebekah: We just go crazy. We just talk about stuff, which is great. We need, we better move. We’re who 

[00:58:27] Donna: we’re right.

So we should, we should then get into it. Um, 

[00:58:30] Rebekah: I, yeah. Just to kind of wrap up what I think about that though, like the, to me it’s enough that like the sheriff’s office is controlled by what it wants the mayor, like who becomes mayor, is really determined by what it wants and also it has its own security force, which is also part of the book.

It’s less pronounced, but like Sims was head of IT security rather than like the judicial security. Mm-hmm. Then kind of like, to me it was complex enough in the book without being like overwhelmingly so, and then in the show it just felt like, why are you adding, like it was already weird, like it was already a lot.

I dunno. Okay, so back to silo 18. As one of their first efforts in the rebellion, uh, some folks in mechanical send a rocket up the open central shaft of the silo, releasing thousands of small handwritten notes accusing Bernard and it of treachery just before the lights go out, where they show that it tease power if you’re near that floor remains on.

I wrote in my notes. I will just read exactly what I wrote down. They send a rocket up with papers. What is happening? That was my, my full feelings about that. I was very fu like, okay, it kind of works. I’m like trying to take myself out of it. Like if I’m not a book reader of this book already, maybe that’s fine, but 

[00:59:50] Tim: it is weird.

Well, if you want the largest number of people to see what you want them to see as quickly as possible, it makes sense because you’re, you’re subverting any normal means of communication. Yeah. Because it cost to be fair, it too much to do the electronic, you don’t wanna use the poor. It was also 

[01:00:08] Rebekah: very visually compelling.

So like, credit for that. Yeah, it was, it looked very interesting, but I was like, what? Like, I, I just was lost. 

[01:00:15] Tim: It’s the method that’s been, it is the method that’s been used many times before though, to try to help people out. Um, the allied forces dropped bombs of notes, uh, over mm-hmm. Over Germany before the end, um, as the last of the German forces were holding out mm-hmm.

In Europe, uh, the allied forces wanted to get the people on their side, and so they were, they sent notes that way. They dropped bombs of notes. 

[01:00:42] Donna: So another thing. Showering the countryside. Another thing this brought up to me was in the first Century Church, if you think about back in the Book of Acts, they didn’t, the Bible wasn’t compiled yet.

So they didn’t have old and New Testament. They had Old Testament scriptures and scrolls. And then as the apostles wrote letters and things, the churches would get, you know, letters specifically on business that they would share with one another that they would be, and they began to share with one another.

And the other thing that that ties to is in countries currently in, in some countries where like Christianity is completely squelch and it’s, it’s illegal or things like that, the Christian churches will literally pass around pages of scripture, a page that they’ll pass around or a page. Mm-hmm. That they treasure and they read and they try to take in and memorize to try to get information.

So I was kind of, those things all kind of swirled around as these things were falling. ’cause I thought. What are you gonna get on one piece of paper? What are you gonna get on one strip? 

[01:01:44] Tim: But the people in the silo are desperate to get everyone on the same page and understanding what’s been happening.

And you don’t have much time and you don’t have much, you know, much information that you can get because if it takes too long for the person to read it, it’s probably going to be confiscated. Um, so I understand it and visually it was compelling, but it is. Strange, but there is precedent. Well, Lucas’ role shifts completely from the book to the show.

In the book. He and Juliet have a far more extensive relationship that begins after she’s appointed as sheriff and continues during the many weeks. She’s away in 17. It’s not many weeks. I don’t feel like in the show. They fall for one another and this relationship is the primary reason she rushes back home.

Lucas, throughout much of his time, hides this relationship from Bernard and continues to serve as the IT shadow locked in the server room and only able to see his mother. And only briefly one time at that, it’s only near the end of the book that Bernard learns of Lucas’ true alliances and and intentions ultimately sentencing him to clean, which is the last we hear of Lucas, until Juliet arrives back in, mm-hmm.

Silo 18. 

[01:03:00] Rebekah: So in the show, Lucas was sent to the mines for just a single day at the end of season one. For some reason he was sentenced to 10 years. But he was there for a day. 

[01:03:11] Tim: The, the judge reduced it to five. Oh, okay. I forgot about that part. And Bernard reminds him when he comes back, 

[01:03:16] Rebekah: he just holds it over his head.

[01:03:18] Tim: Ev, that’s a, that’s a, yeah, that’s a life sentence. Even five. It was just a gesture. 

[01:03:22] Rebekah: It’s like he’s only there a day, but I’m getting you a chance anyway. Bernard has him retrieved so that Lucas can break a code that Bernard found on Juliet’s old, destroyed hard drive. Lucas breaks the code. Then, but Bernard, for some reason, and then needed it recovered I guess.

So Lucas breaks the code and then finds a tunnel door on the lowest level of the silo. That weird big room where Juliet and her dead boyfriend George used to meet, although this was before he was dead, she just not see him dead. 

[01:03:53] Donna: Oh. I was like, oh, did she, was she with him when he was dead? 

[01:03:56] Rebekah: But then a, a mysterious voice demands that he tell no one what he will hear about this door or coming to this door and that can’t go through it.

Including 

[01:04:06] Tim: the audience. Oh yeah. 

[01:04:07] Rebekah: Including the audience. So we hear the mysterious voice say like the people that have been to this door before and that you can’t repeat any of it or something. And then we don’t hear what’s said, what would happen. It’s like, we don’t know what’ll happen if you, if we hear.

Because 

we didn’t hear it. Everyone will die. Everyone will die, I think is what he says. So then 

[01:04:23] Rebekah: we don’t hear that. Then we see Lucas, he has difficulty returning to the top of the silo, but he eventually gets there, which by the way, pause my own self to just say again, my suspension of disbelief keeps getting broken.

Every time it’s like, oh, you were on level 145. Now you’re on level one. It’s probably been like, what an hour? It’s like, okay, I’m sorry. Like the time it drives me nuts. Like the timeline doesn’t, it’s so frustrating because the lack of an elevator is intentional and it’s an important part of, anyway, uh, Lucas returns to the top of the silo amidst the rebellion, and then goes to his mom, and then he gives Sims information.

By the way, Sims is holding a gun to his face, um, or chest or something. Uh, Sims, who was the former head of, I secure it security now he’s the head of judicial. Now he’s Bernard’s Shadow again, because Lucas has just gone to Bernard and said, here’s the secret thing. Whisper, whisper, whisper. Audience doesn’t hear it again.

That’s why, uh, Meadows quit and that’s why I’m quitting. And then he makes Sims his shadow again. And then Sims comes to Lucas and says, I need something unclear. I need the key. I need the key or no something, or whatever. And so he hands him the key and then, or no, Bernard hands him the key. And then Lucas says something about the key and it’s like, oh, you thought that it was, everything was okay because the key’s not lit up.

And it’s like, I, you, anyway, he gives Sims something unclear and then Sims walks away and I don’t know what is going on. 

[01:05:47] Donna: So did you feel like at this point, when Bernard goes to when. Lucas goes to Bernard, whispers something in his ear, and then all of a sudden Bernard changes to this emo zombie who walks and will not speak to anyone and just goes and walks to his own death.

When, 

[01:06:08] Tim: when you, and when your mom and I were watching it, I kept saying, they’re just dragging this out. It feels, it feels purposefully elongated for no good reason. Yeah. Get to the point. 

[01:06:24] Rebekah: I agree. 

I was like, not here for 

[01:06:25] Donna: it. Well, in addition to these things we’re talking about, then there’s another plot.

Walker more plot pretends to be a betrayer to free ex-wife Carla, who all of a sudden they connected before and then we are supposed, they’ve been apart for 40 years to believe. We are supposed to believe, even though there has been no mention of their marriage, we are supposed to believe that all of a sudden in season two where Walker was a big part of season one, we heard nothing about a marriage, not a former one or anything else.

All the sudden, yeah. All of a sudden her wife and we are supposed to get the connection between the two of them and Sorry, these two characters did not have any love. Yeah. The actors did not have chemistry. Actors believe that that was true. Two actors, it did not work. It had nothing to do with it being a lesbian relationship or anything.

It, the, the character that their, their acting just, it did not, did not go together. But in this particular plot point Walker says. You know, Bernard thinks he has her, uh, he’s he’s blackmailing her, right? Yeah. If you wanna see Carla again, if you want her to live, you have to be my snitch. You have to be the mall.

Leave the camera on, leave the camera on, and then she goes along and you can tell that she’s not comfortable. Okay. So I, I got that. She doesn’t want this to happen. She’s very frustrated. And then, and then it turns out they used a form of sign language to communicate that we’ve never heard about before.

Oh my gosh. I can hear TJ right now going, hello? But I will say row it in because it works. Yeah. I, 

[01:08:07] Tim: I will say in this, in this case, they planted the seeds of that in the very first episodes of the first season. Mom is about to lose it. What? They could, you could not talk to one another because the noise was That’s true.

So loud. They make, they make a point about how do these people work in an atmosphere where you can’t. Talk to one another. 

[01:08:30] Donna: Could you have reminded the dumb people about that in the beginning of season two? I’m just, yeah, 

[01:08:34] Tim: I’m just saying that they did introduce that concept, say believability wise, 

[01:08:39] Rebekah: when all of that was happening with Shirley.

My note for, or not Shirley, sorry, with Walker, I, I wrote down, Walker is actually a betrayer. This show sucks. So like I was upset and then oh, I was, when it got so 

[01:08:52] Tim: upset about that, but it 

[01:08:53] Rebekah: was felt good the whole time. I was like that they got it. There has to be something like she’s coordinated with them.

This is all planned. And then I didn’t understand how it would be planned. And so I was surprised when she did the reveal to Bernard. But at the same time, it did feel a little daze. Well, I’m, 

[01:09:09] Tim: I felt, I felt like the thing with Knox coming in and talking to her, he made such a huge point of talking about the lady in the cafeteria who had poisoned them.

But she, she did it for her family. She loved her family, and we have to. We have to apologize or we have to accept her and give her that grace or whatever. All the words he used, I felt like he was saying to her, we know Yeah, you’re being forced to do something that I picked up. Yeah, for sure. That makes sense.

Yeah, and we want you to know, we understand. Yeah. That that part of it. I do. I would agree. Something, it was 

[01:09:44] Rebekah: well done in the episode where they did it. I would just go to Mom’s Point to say like, the setup for that was not good. Like it, it did feel a little like easy, like I believed that it was actually a plan all along that she wasn’t really a betrayer.

Like it threw me off that she was, and then I was like, ah, this has to be planned. But the whole sign language thing was like, eh, really? So it was too easy. Yeah. I was easy, really tired of the 

[01:10:08] Tim: betrayal thing. Yeah, the betrayal plot. Yeah. Quickly. Very quickly. 

[01:10:12] Donna: Yeah. It was a, it was too easy to fix, I think is the problem.

It just popped in there and 

[01:10:17] Tim: there’s a lot more of the rebellion in the television show seems to last longer. Yeah. Uh, there’s more, many more strategic military movements in the book. It seems like the rebellion never gets a foot up or gets a leg up. They, they never have victory. They, they’re always, because remember on the defenses, it is always in the office.

Always wanna step ahead of 

[01:10:37] Rebekah: them. And not only that, in the book, every time they don’t know that they’re being watched, the whole cameras thing was introduced in the show. That’s not part of the book. And so like, they find cameras and all this stuff. And now obviously in the show, every room was being watched by the cameras.

But I think part of it was in the book. Like they kept thinking like, oh, we’re like creating good strategy. And Bernard, because of the pact and like all of the like stuff that he had communication in the order, the order, like he was just always so far ahead of them and they never were gonna catch up, 

[01:11:07] Tim: right?

Because the order. Specifically about this is what to do in every situation. Apparently the order has been created by psychologists and historians who say, if you do this, this is how the people will react. If you do this, this is how the people will react. So for every circumstance in every situation, you know, we know this is what they’ll want to do.

This is what they’ll want to do. And so we’re always ahead of them. Dr. Nichols, for instance, in the television show, is approached as they wish to go to war against it, and this leads to his eventual suicide by bomb as he blows up a large set of stares. Although I will say that blowing up that section of stairs gives them a victory true for a period of time because Bernard has had security send all the security people down to mechanical to fix the bomb that he thinks is there.

That’s supposedly on the generator. Well, they’ve got the fake things there, but the guards get there, or, uh, security gets there and sees they didn’t have time to hook it up. Then they blow the stairs higher up. So all of the security is trapped below. So whatever’s happening up above with the people that they’ve, they’ve taken walk and, and knocks and the people they’ve taken upstairs and arrested it, it makes sense.

It makes sense. Militarily. There’s at least some, some victory there ahead of it. And Bernard, for a while, you know, and the rebellion at least has some inkling of a chance it doesn’t have any chance. In the book. In the book it’s like doomed from the beginning. Yes. Every step, they’re always back. And we do get a lot of 

[01:12:45] Rebekah: it from their perspective.

So in the, if you haven’t read the book and maybe just only watch the show, it does go back and forth into 17 and 18 where we’re seeing like Knox and Walker and Shirley Yeah. Chapter. But, and all these people kind of lead the rebellion as much as they can. Um, but it also, it feels so long in the show.

Like it feels like it goes on for months. Mm-hmm. Dad said that. Yeah. I, I 

[01:13:10] Tim: made that comment. I said, this is just dragging it too far. It’s like you can see the end. It, it makes sense that you can see most of the end just get there. They just want to take so long except, and if 

[01:13:22] Donna: somebody had to be sacrificed with a bomb, they’d get a red shirt.

Just anybody but her dad, you know, he could have made it be. That was 

[01:13:31] Rebekah: that. Get the cafeteria girl, make the girl that feels bad because she already like hurt them. Like let her have like, I owe you this. Like I have to do, you know, like that moment. Yeah. Her dad. Yeah. 

[01:13:43] Tim: You could have had that payoff. I will, I will sacrifice myself to prove to you that I am still part of this day.

’cause she had been told 

[01:13:49] Rebekah: that she’ll be given menial tasks for the rest of her life and he had gone through all this. I feel like that would’ve been more believable. Him being like, yes, as a doctor who’s incredibly important to literal survival, who’s the only doctor of people I will kill myself. Like that was rough.

[01:14:04] Donna: And who now the only 

[01:14:05] Rebekah: doctor below this level 

[01:14:06] Donna: and who now knows his daughter is probably still alive. He found that out and then he, oh, tell her I love her. Whatever. Cow. And I wanna, hold on. I do wanna clarify this. 

[01:14:18] Rebekah: I may have mentioned this before. But in the book, Juliet, I think I’ve said, is communicating with Lucas via phone while he’s in it through this whole time.

Right. Also, Walker’s big purpose is that he is fixing the radio because they like. Open the radio up and find all of these channels, radio where they communicate with other silos and they see that they’re 18 and like mm-hmm. So he like Riggs the radio and all of this stuff. And so the, the whole, like the technology part of it and stuff, they took all of that out of the show and it was just confusion.

[01:14:52] Tim: Yes. Mm-hmm. No 

[01:14:53] Donna: communication. There’s so much they could have done had they made, it opened up a, a, a way of communicating with Yeah. Yeah. I 

[01:15:00] Tim: love that part. In, in the book where they, where they explained, okay, they are beginning to understand they didn’t have radios. They got, they, they took something from it and that’s how they, how he began to discover it.

And it was a trial and error thing. And they could hear the, the radios, they had the, they knew certain people had the radios, the security and stuff like that, but nobody could connect. So they were trying to figure out the channel or whatever. And that’s how they discovered the different silos. Yeah, I, I loved that.

Yeah. I loved that. And you know, that was in the book, but it was completely missing. 

[01:15:31] Donna: You know, Lucas and Walker both can talk. Uh, with Juliette in 17, they, but in the show, they just assume she’s alive, you know, for it’s back and forth and there’s tension there. Could she be alive? Alive? I keep asking the question.

I get it. Could, yeah. Could she be 

[01:15:45] Tim: alive? Do you think she could be alive? And Walker keeps saying yes. No, 

[01:15:48] Donna: and I keep, and I could deal with the tension if that I That’s fine. But for what is Sure. To have been. Just a huge cliffhanger plan. They don’t know she’s alive for sure until they see her cresting the hill at the end of the season finale.

It was a good moment. That was very cool. It was, it was a great moment. I agree. And to see everybody’s reactions and how different people reacted at different points except for dad, who they killed stabbed me in the face. Um, I don’t think she liked that part. Mama liked that sort of thing? Uh, yeah, I, yeah.

Mm-hmm. That’s, I equate that with why on God’s Green Earth, JK Rowling killed off and Toms re Remus and his wife and tongs and why those extra? Anyway, it doesn’t matter. We’re not doing Harry Potter right now, so. Yeah, this part. So that was a bright moment for me, that scene and that, that relief that you see, she’s actually alive.

Where in the books, some people do know she’s alive, so that’s, and they have little pieces in the book where a few, as different people discover it. I mean, that’s in there. But for the show part, for the, the visual of it. Yes. That was a cool part. I’ll, I’ll give them that. 

[01:17:04] Tim: Okay. Well the show’s second season ends with an abrupt scene of Juliet and Bernard in the fire.

Then a flashback to before the silos, and I’ll clarify Juliet and Bernard 

[01:17:17] Rebekah: in the fire because she goes up to the screen, wipes it off, everybody cheers like mom said. Then the door opens after she tries to get it open with like a winch kind of thing. She can’t get it open. She’s been trying the tools, it comes open and she, she had taken a tool down and Bernard is like willingly leaving and she canards the face.

[01:17:36] Donna: But also, but real remember too, when she got up to the screen and cleaned it. True. She said out. Yeah. She gave them the message outside, don’t out, don’t she thought they were all going to be trying to go outside. She did warn them. Yeah. She was afraid they were gonna try to get out. Yes. 

[01:17:48] Tim: Right. So it’s, it is very interesting.

Like in the book, you don’t know that’s Bernard ’cause mm-hmm. You think it’s Lucas a lot. But anyway, um, a man in, in this flashback to before the silos became the world, a man with a voice eerily similar to the one heard by Lucas, which I did not pick up on. And later sims and his wife meets a woman at a bar.

For what he hopes is a date. Apparently, she reveals that she’s actually a reporter looking for information about the dirty bomb and what they’ve been talking about has happened. He leaves the date after leaving her with a little trinket of their date. It is the very same duck Pez dispenser that we’ve seen as a relic in silo 18.

I 

[01:18:32] Rebekah: have to say, I really am grateful that there was some point to the Pez dispenser because in my first thing of notes, yes, I said, the TV show adds some random unnecessary plot line about a Pez dispenser. 

[01:18:46] Donna: I was 

[01:18:47] Rebekah: like, 

[01:18:47] Donna: what 

[01:18:48] Rebekah: is the point of 

[01:18:49] Donna: this? 

[01:18:49] Rebekah: I hated 

[01:18:49] Donna: it. Yeah. I kept thinking they were just using something that.

Most people. Yeah, old or young would know what? I just kind of thought it was that until we get to this point, 

[01:18:59] Tim: I did not recognize the voice. So if the voice was supposed to be, oh, you know, that same person. I apologize if, if I spoiled that by accident. I didn’t know. It didn’t, it didn’t connect at all. No, it just didn’t connect.

Um, I got that he was involved in the before and I figured, okay, well if they’re flashing back, he has to have something to do with the silos. But I still didn’t make the connection ’cause that that wasn’t clear enough. Well 

[01:19:22] Rebekah: maybe it’s not supposed to be. Shame on them. 

[01:19:23] Tim: They should have made it clear enough to, to be totally fair.

It’s 

[01:19:26] Rebekah: 150 years later. They should have at least 

[01:19:28] Tim: made it clear enough to click. But he doesn’t introduce Salva himself. Salvador. Quinn. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s what I’m saying. But Salvador, Quinn was supposed to be the voice. No. Salvador is one of the previous people that reached that pool when it was in the tunnel 

[01:19:40] Rebekah: of the tunnel.

He was one of those people. 

[01:19:43] Tim: See that. See I, I’m usually pretty good on detail. Yeah. I think it was a clunky For sure. Didn’t catch it. So it was muddy. Let’s just say it was. Muddy. Um, one of the, you know, some of the details about that meeting that they had, he met with her, she’s actually reporter, blah, blah, blah, in their conversation and in the, in the visual scan around them.

Correct. Their meeting in Washington, DC in view of the capitol at a bar. There are things around the capitol that look like they could be construction, things that are fixing parts of the capitol. She asks something about who you think is responsible. I think she asked, where were you when it 

[01:20:21] Rebekah: happened?

[01:20:22] Tim: And we get right. And so you get, yeah. And, and then the question, who do you think is responsible? He doesn’t answer those questions, but in the process, what you get is there were enemies of the United States who at least got close enough to do some kind of significant damage, and now the government is trying to respond to that, which makes sense to me when Bernard reveals in the.

Book, it was us or it was our people. He doesn’t mm-hmm. It was the people who made the silo. They’re the ones that did the thing that destroyed everything. And the reason that the silos are here and people are here is because they were the only ones who had warning. Mm. Because they were the ones that were responsible for doing it.

And so I connect, I connected what he said in the book, in that, to that meeting that they had. But I, I didn’t connect the voice, I will say, or any of that kinda stuff to it. So I really 

[01:21:19] Rebekah: do hope that you guys read the second and third book. I would love it if you didn’t wait, like, I think I’m gonna go ahead and get them on audible, but, um, I, yes, please, please think it was cool that they added this.

Shit, but it’s not dust. That’s the third one. What is dust? We’ve only 

[01:21:34] Tim: read one book. Wow. ’cause that’s the one that D the Audible took me directly to the preview. That’s so weird. Of dust and I thought it’s will shift. Is that the second book in that order? 

[01:21:43] Rebekah: Yeah. So go ahead. Um, labeled the books are labeled on my shelf as 1, 2, 3.

Um, I do think it was cool that they added this. Because at the end, so let me, I’ll explain why. I think it’s cool, but mostly it’s just because at the end of the book, it is like it’s a cliffhanger in that, okay, is she gonna get back to 17? Like there’s stuff like that, but it’s very, very different. The book goes like 30 plus pages past where Juliette comes in and has a fire.

Juliet thought. When she was coming back, her rush was not just, oh, I don’t want everyone to run outside in the book. Her rush was, oh no, because I’m communicating with the silo. I know that they are sending Lucas out to clean. And by this point, she and Lucas have essentially fallen in love as mentioned before.

And so she is genuinely just worried about this man that she’s come to care for because she knows all of this treachery, whatever. So she gets back to the silo, rushes in. There’s no, in the book, they don’t talk about people seeing her coming in, which it’s just like you’re in her POV basically, which I think was really well done for the book format.

She comes down the stairs. Comes into the next room and she gets into a tussle with the person in the suit. She can’t tell who’s in the suit. Yeah, she thinks 

[01:23:01] Tim: she doesn’t. 

[01:23:01] Rebekah: She thinks it’s Lucas, the goal, but like she can’t see his face. She always 

[01:23:04] Tim: thinks it’s Lucas. Right. But he doesn’t really understand what’s going on and there’s just, it’s like very 

[01:23:09] Rebekah: chaotic.

And then basically they do get stuck in the fire and she wakes up later covered in Burns. To find out that it was Bernard the whole time the Rebels had basically finally won. Like they got, they finally won, but they won because Peter Billings was behind it. Like Peter, who is Paul in the show, um, ends up being on the side of the rebels.

They all banded together to get rid of the it menace of Bernard, and they sent him out to clean. And so then Juliette and Lucas have their reunion and they’re so excited to see each other. And it’s like, now we’re like in a relationship. And does somebody mention having an election? Is that, that’s in the book, right?

They, he’s, oh, they’ve decided And they don’t tell her at first. 

[01:23:51] Tim: Yes. Yes. That’s in the book. She, they did away, they, they stopped the election. Right, because they stopped it. People showed up, everything was going on. 

[01:23:57] Rebekah: And people showed up to vote and she got elected mayor. And they were like, well, we basically weren’t gonna tell you until you couldn’t say no for some reason.

And she’s like, I don’t wanna be mayor, you know? And so then it ends with her and Lucas being like, well, I don’t really wanna leave you ’cause we’re back together, but I need to make the trip down to see my father. And so she’s, she’s like realized how important he is in her life after going into 17 and seeing all of the stuff that happened to Solo and you know, losing his family and all this stuff.

And you’ll never get that in the show because the fathers dead, something she’ll never get into. And they made it pretty clear that you had to be dead. Like I know you didn’t see him explode on screen. And I get that, like, that’s one thing that sometimes is used to have the, oh, he comes back, you know, whatever.

But I think it was like pretty clear that it was such a massive explosion. Um, so I also wasn’t sure if you guys heard this because it was after an interview portion in my, with the author, but there is. Did you hear the epilogue? Like the, I listened to the interview with Solo. Okay. Yeah, it’s just a page and a half.

And basically they’re just like, Mr. Solo, Mr. Solo. The water’s receding because remember they only go one time where she goes into the water and they weren’t sure by the time she left that what she was doing was gonna work and expose their lower floors and stuff. And so in the book that they, they’re like, oh, it’s receding.

So there’s no flashback into the past. Um, but I will, I don’t think this is really a spoiler ’cause you’ve seen it in the show. The second book does begin with that flashback or something around that time. It’s not, I don’t think it’s exactly, yeah, I don’t think it’s like exactly the scene or anything.

They’ve obviously adapted quite a lot of it, but they pulled that from the next book, which I think was a good, I think it was a good TV show, cliffhanger to like have her and Bernard burned. But technically you don’t know if they die. And then to have this like flashback where you hear about the dirty bomb and stuff, and then you see the Pez where you’re like, oh, we’re gonna get information from the before times.

So I thought that was interesting. Also, I do wanna comment, ’cause you said something about like the, the founders or the creators or whatever they called them. I was going back and looking up something earlier from like the part of the book where Juliet first arrives at 17 and she sees all the bodies and stuff, and I forgot about this, but Juliette thinks to herself the Gods created more than one silo.

I forgot about that. But she didn’t even, like, it didn’t occur to her that there were people that had created it at that point. And so while she’s in 17, that’s one of the things that she already learns. Mm-hmm. Which is just totally wild. 

[01:26:16] Donna: I, I did, I did get some interesting, I did pick up a few little interesting tidbits though.

Um, the show released on November 15th, 2024. That’s season two. I think they did an episode 

[01:26:29] Rebekah: a week until they got the 10th one out. 

[01:26:31] Donna: Yes. And so the, the book rating we had, you know, the wool is a 4.2 out of five. So here’s a contrast between season two and season. One in, uh, rotten Tomatoes and Flicker. So season two had a 91% critics rating versus an 88 in season one.

It’s a little better, and I know that’s just, I know that’s just 3%, but if you contrast that, the Flicker audience score in season 2 61 and in season two was 61, but season one was 68 mm. So the critics are favor favoring the second one where we are agreeing with the audience. We didn’t like series season two.

Like it wasn’t trash, but it wasn’t as good. So I thought season one 

[01:27:20] Rebekah: was definitely stronger, so that tracks me. Yeah. 

[01:27:23] Donna: So I, I wouldn’t go from like 68% to 20%. It wasn’t that kind of thing. Like Rebecca said, it just, it, it just had so much in it. Um, I did try to find a little bit about profitability and it’s, it’s hard.

Mm-hmm. But the little bit, I found out a, just a few little pieces, um, reports. Now that’s unnamed, they’re not saying from whom, but they suggest that season one of silo production cost was several hundred million dollars. Oh. 

[01:27:56] Rebekah: Which I guess to be fair, with 10 hours of content if you think about movies.

Yeah. Right. It’s not like the biggest budget movie to consider. Yes. You know, it’s the length of three and a half movies. 

[01:28:08] Donna: Uh, also, uh, parrot Analytics reported that silo just as a whole has an audience demand. 23.6 times the demand of an average TV series in the United States currently. 

[01:28:24] Rebekah: So theoretically people watching it could, so it’s doing very well.

Make them 

[01:28:26] Donna: money. Yeah. The other indication of how it’s going is Apple reported service-based revenue, uh, from various products. Now this includes Apple TV Plus and Apple Music, but they reported last Thursday for their second fiscal quarter and they earned nearly $27.6 billion in service-based revenue, which is up 12% compared to quarter two of 2024 and above Wall Street expectations as well.

So that’s, um, so they did show growth. Their Apple TV plus 

[01:29:07] Rebekah: content is pretty worthwhile. Like Yes, it’s one that I would continue paying for a subscription for when I’ve canceled a lot of my subscriptions. 

[01:29:16] Donna: Yeah. And it, and one of the things I found, uh, as a side note to that, just the, just a plug for some things that we’ve seen or have been referred to watch, you know, you know, somebody’s really, really pit, um, they’ve worked diligently over time to make more.

Um, entertainment and sports fans to kinda draw them in, uh, with rights to Major League Baseball and Major League soccer on the platform, but also hit series like severance. And we’re he, I’m hearing so many people talk about that voice. Yes. Yes. Uh, Ted Lasso. Oh, so good. And Silo and Mythic Quest. 

[01:29:58] Rebekah: Oh, I love Mythic Quest.

We need to finish the season that we’re 

[01:30:00] Donna: in. You need to finish the season for sure. Rebecca. Finish it with me, by the way. Yes, mother. Wait till I get there. Yeah. What was your warning, dad? 

[01:30:11] Tim: A warning to our podcast listeners. Um, many of those shows that, that we’re mentioning for from Apple are TV mature. Uh, yeah, for sure.

Which means for, there’s a lot of content that a parent should question. Sure. Uh, for their, for their children and, and even teenagers at times. So be mindful. 

[01:30:33] Donna: I’m super thankful. That silo. It is a, it is rated mature audiences. Um, but I am really glad that there’s not a bunch of nudity. There’s not a bunch of like, just the language and it’s not a lot of it.

Yeah. And even the violence is, is not horrible. Yeah. 

[01:30:50] Rebekah: There’s a little bit in the first episode in the way of sexual content. Yeah. I would say the rest of the show really doesn’t have it does it? It’s just the language. Very, very little. I think it’s language and violence really. Which is a little easier to digest for me than some of the other stuff.

[01:31:03] Donna: Yeah. And you see affection in, in like the married characters, you see some, you know, they’ll kiss each other or whatever, but it’s a very natural, just a daily affectionate out outcome. So I thought that was, uh, I thought that was a good thing for me because I can stomach a little bit of content, but there’s some things that we’ve watched that’s just been like, nah, we can’t keep watching this.

So that’s too much. Yeah. 

[01:31:29] Tim: Well, the critic’s response. Though generally positive, of course with a 91% rating had some common gripes. The most prevalent complaint across reviews was the back and forth from silo 17 to silo 18. It was for some reviewers confusing and hard to follow throughout. However, for others, after the first few episodes and the location jumping, the format grew on them.

I didn’t have as much trouble personally with that, uh, with the jumping back and forth. Mm-hmm. My problem had to do with the fact that I felt like they were elongating the plot line over replicating it, it started to drag. So what, where would you guys fall on that? 

[01:32:12] Donna: Uh, I think I’ve Christopher Noland my mind enough.

That I could kind of keep after they started doing it, I could keep up with it. Um, but I think that the reviewers that didn’t like it mentioned that it was, they just drew stuff out that they didn’t have to dry out, and it seemed like we just needed it to. So that was probably more of a 

[01:32:32] Tim: problem than the jumping.

[01:32:34] Donna: But honestly, still, I only read a few reviewers who even marked it. With under 50%, like the reviewers were, were all, you know, high. Even with some complaints. 

[01:32:45] Rebekah: It did not bother me to flip back and forth. Um, I thought it was really clear where you were in the silo. Um, honestly, if I had a complaint about that in particular, the show was so dark.

It was so hard. Like physically, it was hard to literally see what was happening on screen. And the silo 17 stuff was so much worse. And like I know that it’s supposed to be dark in there. It’s not like I like, I get why, but like, but 

[01:33:10] Tim: you don’t want to have to watch like in a dark room. I’m turn the brightness up on your tv.

Well, I’m 

[01:33:15] Rebekah: watching it at night. My TV is literally as like the back light is as high as it goes. I have no lights on and we’re still watching it and going like, can you see what’s there? Like what’s up? And so like I’m like, we’re not blind. I dunno. And so I think it was just really annoying that I think.

Trying to set the two apart. It didn’t feel like, like I did watch a couple of episodes during the daytime and even all the lights off and the window blinds shut. It was incredibly hard for me to see the scenes that happened in 17 and to even perceive what was going on. So, 

[01:33:48] Tim: which, which is tells you the reasoning behind a lot of movies where people are in the darkness.

They’re, they’re out in the, the, all the lights are off in the house or whatever, and you can still see them. There’s pretty face through the windows. Like, well, that’s on purpose. There’s, there’s, there’s enough gloat. Well, it’s on purpose. ’cause the audience needs to be able to see. 

[01:34:09] Rebekah: Okay. So before we do our final verdicts, uh, let’s keep it short, but Okay.

For a little mini game, mom and dad, what are your predictions for what is gonna happen in the subsequent, since the daughter 

[01:34:22] Tim: has already read all of the, 

[01:34:23] Rebekah: well, and this is hard because they’ve gone so far off, like, I don’t know what they’re gonna change, but what do you think is gonna happen in the future?

[01:34:30] Tim: Okay. I, I’m gonna, I’m gonna run with a few, with a few of these and I’ll try to be quick. Um, I think that the silos that they are in were not made for the people. I think they were silos for ballistic missiles that were adapted for the people. I personally think that the stairwell still contains ballistic missiles.

Okay. Um, because I think that’s, I think that’s like the final solution. The final order is if things get completely out of hand, just blow them up. I think that, uh, we’re going to find out that there are other groups of people, um, that. Exist not in the silos in other places, bans of people perhaps. And I think that there will have to be another villain because if you got rid of Bernard, you’ve, you’ve got to have a villain to fight against.

And it can’t just be the environment. Um, and I do know that, that Juliet becomes mayor. I did, I read that ahead of time. You know that she becomes mayor. Well book in the book she does Well, and in the book it says that. She’s elected, but, um, she wants, no, but I’m saying what, what will they do in the series?

She wants things to be open and honest. Mm-hmm. Let’s be clear and, and above board with all those things. And I think that’ll be an interesting take. So, apparently in my, uh, estimation, Sims is going to have something to do with that. ’cause he won’t be in favor of everybody knowing. So who’s gonna 

[01:36:15] Donna: be the bigger villain?

Him or his wife? ’cause that would be girl, girl Violent. I, that would be girl, girl conflict. I’ll tell you. 

[01:36:21] Tim: I think it has to be, I think it has to be him. He has a, he has a more, the actor has a more screen filling presence than she does. I like her character. Yeah, for sure. I, I like her character, but she doesn’t fill the screen.

And we’ve seen that in lots of movies before. Hey, we’ve got this person who is the, the main actor, and it’s like, yeah, but the people around them are bigger on screen, you know, they just fill the screen more with their presence. So that’s some of the things I think, um, crazy prescient, who knows? We’ll 

[01:37:00] Rebekah: find out in a 

[01:37:01] Tim: few years.

Anybody that’s bit, but anybody know the whole series, but yeah. But they have diverged a lot, so you’re right, Rebecca. The fact that you’ve read all of the books doesn’t necessarily mean that, you know, I know. 

[01:37:11] Rebekah: I, I will say there’s one, and this is not a prediction, this is just kind of a little thought trying to make it spoiler free as much as possible.

There is a way that they take some of what happened in the past and make it, explain some of the things in their present. That is like a central part of how all of it comes together. And I’m not convinced that they’re gonna keep it in the show like that at all. And so I’m like, which part? Well, I can’t tell you ’cause you don’t know yet.

Oh, so sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except in those cryptic terms, it’s like, yeah, it has to do with like that. They’re like, oh, this is kind of the underlying reason for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I’m already kind of, 

[01:37:51] Tim: this is why this has to be. Yeah. I’m already 

[01:37:53] Rebekah: kind of thinking that they might cut that in the show and I’m like, okay.

So I 

[01:37:57] Donna: had a couple things too. We talked back in the changes at the very end as we were wrapping up how everything ends about Solo, being able to share with the children and how that was growth for him and in and in the series. That was growth for him in the series as well. And, and, but he didn’t wanna share the legacy with them.

And as soon as you said it, I was like, oh, again, I come into real life. We can’t know everything. But we want to know everything. Society, we think, we think we should know every single thing that goes on in every part of government, we should be made privy to it. And I thought it was interesting ’cause as we said it, it was like, yeah, solo.

He’s, he’s open and he, he wants to be there and in and encourage the community, but there’s already a piece that he cannot, that he doesn’t think he can share. And how do we know that that’s not how it started back when these silos got formed, the person in charge had good intentions. They wanted. To, to further humanity and that society could grow.

But there’s a part that we can’t share. And I thought I was so stricken by that. I was like, oh my gosh, that is insane. Because you’re just back to the beginning of a new community where there’s already secrets. And so moving forward to what dad was saying about like, Juliet, will they make her mayor, will they carry that out and put her into that position?

Because one of the things she’s gonna have to decide is what can I tell them and what am I not gonna be able to tell them? Because look, from what the book tells us about the, uh, what’s it called? The, the, we use the term, the end of it, you know, the lasts solution or the last, there’s a word. Um, oh crap.

Are you talking about 

[01:39:49] Rebekah: when they talk about what is the safeguard procedure? 

[01:39:52] Donna: The safeguard, when they talk about the safeguard procedure. Okay. Everybody can’t. Everybody can’t know that they can’t because, because in society we, you can’t share some of, there’s just some things. And that’s because as human beings, we’re, we’re just built into a community structure where there’s authority and people don’t like that.

Mm-hmm. But we’re built into this. We were created, I mean, we all believe in, in a creator, in an, an intelligent design. And God built us to be able to enjoy this incredible, wonderful life with him. And, and he, he has built this possibility of this beautiful, joyful life we can have, but we can’t know everything that’s gonna happen.

Mm-hmm. We can’t understand it. And so what will they do going forward? I mean, uh, in that meeting with the guy and the girl in the bar in the before time. There was, um, uh, they talked about Georgia. Mm-hmm. ’cause they made this deal about where he was the junior, where he was at, and Yeah. Where he was from.

And they gave too much information for not for that, not to be a part of what’s going forward. That wasn’t a chance meeting, it was a short scene. So the fact that all of that was mentioned, it was a short scene relevant. They, she was there for a purpose. He was there for a purpose. This can’t just be a couple of random people.

Of course we say that knowing that in the beginning of series one they pulled this little baby piece out and it was a Rashida Jones and her husband. Yeah. For right. And so I guess, you know, we don’t know, but, uh, I think the mayor part, yeah. I mean, if that makes sense, that Juliet would become mayor. I wonder if, I think 

[01:41:49] Tim: they’re gonna try to repopulate 17, they’re gonna send people over to repair.

I mean, they’re kind of already doing that, right? Well, to send people over to complete repairs. And maybe there are people that wanted to have children in the lottery but weren’t able to have them and mm-hmm. Over there they can have an opportunity. And of course they’ll have conflict with Silo one. 

[01:42:12] Donna: And I think based on crowd, based on the viewer support, Steve Za can’t go anywhere.

They’re not gonna get rid of him. He’s that, that character was too amazing. Um, as far as the hope and the other people, I mean, I’m assuming they’ll do something with them, but who, who knows? Anyway, so, uh. I don’t know if I gave predictions or if I just threw out some thoughts there, but, 

[01:42:38] Rebekah: so let’s give our final verdicts.

Um, I’ll actually start off, I asked Josiah for his, since he wasn’t able to be with us today, but he’ll be back for our Godfather episode. Mm-hmm. So Josiah begins, yes, although, I will say, uh, because people keep abandoning the women of this family, the next time we’ll still only have three people, and that time it will be without dad.

And so the men are just 

not 

[01:43:00] Rebekah: pulling their weight, I guess. That’s fine. 

Sorry, I’ll be out of the country this one time. 

[01:43:06] Rebekah: Okay. So we’re gonna start off with Josiah’s Silo season two. 

[01:43:11] Tim: So Josiah, why don’t you tell us what you think? Think him. Oh, yes. 

[01:43:14] Rebekah: Sorry. I have to talk like, so I try to channel, uh, Sheldon Cooper because that’s what TJ talks like, because I just finished Big Bang Theory, and I am telling you so often he talks just like Sheldon.

So silo season two was a weaker season, and the second half of wool was a little weaker than the first half. In my opinion, the silo 18 quote unquote war in both media was a little bereft of character development. And I wonder if only seeing the war from Bernard’s, POV would’ve been more suspenseful and less of a slog where you knew everything that was going on at all times.

The TV show edges out the book for me because of the spectacle, even if the TV show feels a little more padded with filler. I liked both Epilogues, though they were very, very different. That wasn’t a good Sheldon impression, but hopefully it gets across the point, which I think is interesting. 

[01:44:09] Tim: Don’t quit your day job.

Fair enough. I’m 

[01:44:10] Rebekah: not good at, uh, impersonations. Um, I will go next. My, well shockingly, uh, the book was better for me in this the show. By the time I got to episode four of this season, I was like, oh, I have to finish this. Like, I have to watch how many more episodes. Like, it was very overwhelming when I realized how many more were left by the time I got bored.

Um, and I think what Josiah said, honestly was very true about it being padded with filler. Although it’s not a little more padded with filler, like I felt like over half of the episodes in the season were just filler. This season could have been half a season in my opinion. Or you could have combined it, like I said.

And made a slightly longer first season. Kept a lot of the good stuff from that take out Judge Meadows and you could have had a really tight show. I hated how they did the kids in the silo 17. I thought that was awful. I think it was a real loss that Juliet and Lucas weren’t communicating and that she and Walker weren’t communicating while she was in 17.

The acting in the show is phenomenal. The, the bones of the show were really good in terms of like, obviously it’s shot beautifully and the sets are amazing and it’s perfect in that way. Mm-hmm. But like, I just. There was enough in it that I was like, exactly like what Josiah said, but also one of you, I think dad just said it too, where it felt like, oh, you’re just trying to make eight episodes or 10 episodes rather.

You’re just trying to drag it out, and I felt like if you had been willing to edit it down, I think you could have had a much stronger season. I think that, for the most part, the divergence from the book, I thought the show just ended up feeling more padded. I, I don’t think that the stuff that they changed was all that helpful.

I think there were a few things that were like showing seventeens rebellion was really good, and some of the stuff like the way that some of the things were dramatized was a little bit better, to be totally honest. It was weird when Shirley and Knox had their thing, but even that, I was like, Ooh, I kind of like this.

Like there were a few things that I was like, I don’t hate it. Like I don’t, it doesn’t have to all be the same, but for me, I would say the, the book, like I said, is like one of my five star reads. I would say the second half is probably like an eight outta 10 compared to that first half. Being higher for me, but for the show, I’m gonna say like four and a half outta 10.

It was so well done in a lot of like technical ways, but I think the story fell really short for me. 

[01:46:29] Donna: Well, I am gonna say that I liked the book for, I mean, there are a lot of reasons I could say, but I loved the fact that she could still communicate with Solo 18. I loved that. I liked what that did. I thought it increased the tension of Lucas not being able to see her.

It grew their love story that doesn’t exist 

[01:46:55] Rebekah: in the show, 

[01:46:56] Donna: doesn’t exist in the series. He just knew her a couple of 

[01:46:58] Rebekah: times. He met her. 

[01:47:00] Donna: Yeah, and he, he wonders after her. He wishes after her and thinks of her. But it’s just left. And that was such a great piece that went through this, through the book as she was separated from everybody, but to know she could have some little point of contact.

So for that reason, I would definitely say the book, even though, um, for many things, like many of the things you gave, um, I did, I liked the book better than the series. Um, again, casting, casting, casting, just a couple. If, if Rebecca Ferguson and, uh, if, if Rebecca Ferguson, Steves on, and, um, Tim Robbins had been different people, this could, it would’ve been a total nightmare for Apple.

It could have been, because the story’s still there. It’s, it’s not, like you said, it’s not bad 

[01:47:54] Rebekah: common who played Sims Also, he, his acting is the only reason that I’m like. Not completely down. Yeah. On Sims. And I just wish it was a little tighter. Yeah. But he also was like super for the character that he was, he did a fantastic job.

[01:48:09] Donna: Yeah. So the the positive parts of the series that I want to continue to see, I wanna see what they do with Solo. I wanna see what they do with Bernard and his wife. I’m very curious to see why, I mean, sorry, with Sims and his wife, I, I’m really curious to see are what they’re gonna do with her and him, because for some reason they, they’ve vaulted her to have always been this backbone, even though his character’s really strong and aggressive.

So I’m kind of, I’m curious, very curious about that. I’m gutted over the dad again. I’m gonna say it a second time. Stab me in the face with a fork that they killed him and there’s no way they can bring him back. And if they bring him back, 

[01:48:49] Rebekah: I’ll be upset. That would be, it’ll be 

[01:48:50] Donna: a game cha. It’ll be a huge blow.

So anyway, ratings, uh. Book, I’m gonna say eight, five, close to nine. It was interesting, the, the shortness, the, the short, the brevity of the chapters I loved. Uh, but a series, I mean, I’ll say seven, I’ll go a little above what you went, but, but again, there’s definitely a difference. It, it wasn’t super close for me.

The se the first season, it was a closer, yeah. To me the, the difference was closer as far as like, and dislike. So 

[01:49:25] Tim: alrightyy, well, I guess it’s my turn. I would say, I would say that I liked the television show season two less than the first season. I think that’s fairly consistent with all of us. Um, and even with the other reviewers, I would probably give season two an eight, maybe as low as a 7.5, but I would’ve given season one at nine.

So you still 

[01:49:54] Rebekah: liked this quite a bit? 

[01:49:56] Tim: Yeah. I, I, I enjoyed it. It just drug on longer than I wanted it to. Mm-hmm. Um, it’s better to be able to watch it the way that we watch things now. If I had waited, I mean, if, if this were the kind of thing that we were watching when it was broadcast once a week kind of thing, um, it might’ve been a little easier, um, to watch it and, and it not feel like it was dragging because maybe it, maybe it would, you know, fill in that gap.

But anyway, it felt like it was dragging. So 7.5 or an eight for the show, I would give the book. Um, of course we’re saying the second half of the book basically. Um, I would give it a nine. I, I enjoyed it. I thought the book was good. Um, we didn’t mention one character that I really appreciated them adding.

And that was Kathleen Billings, uh, the Sheriff’s Wife. Oh yeah, she was great. She, yeah, Caitlin Zas and I only know that name ’cause I looked it up, but, um, you follow her. I know she does. She’s one of those actresses that captures the screen when they’re on it, you know that they’re there and there is a connection.

I don’t know exactly what that is, but there’s some kind of connection. There’s a believability. She has a compassion that just. Is continual from the time we met her in their apartment to begin with, and then now she’s working down below trying to, to help people while she’s carrying around her baby. Um, but but she didn’t 

[01:51:32] Donna: have 

[01:51:32] Tim: to 

[01:51:32] Donna: be a main character, 

[01:51:33] Tim: right?

Yeah. Um, she didn’t have to be a main character. She is in 12 episodes, but she, she is a good addition of additional people. There are 10,000 people there, and this is one of those, this is a good person. Beside the other people, you know, with a line here, a line there doesn’t have to have a complete arc because they’re connected to someone.

So I like that. I liked that edition. So I would say overall I would give the whole thing. Um, an 8.5. If I combine the two together properly, like the show, I think it’s show and the, uh, the show together. Seasons one and two. I would give it an 8.5. I’ve enjoyed it. I’m looking forward to watching more of it.

And for a viewer, that’s, that’s something important that you anticipate the next part? Yeah, I think that’s one of the things that ha is lost when shows or series do what I referred to earlier is Disney Eyes when they just do it ad nauseum. I am a fan of Star Wars and I’m a fan of Star Trek. I’m a fan of, um, Marvel and superhero movies and things like that.

Sometimes they can just be like, oh, I don’t really care if there’s another one coming out. Um, and I don’t. Mm-hmm. You know, I don’t feel that way with this. That’s one of those places where producers have to be very careful though, because you can oversaturate your market. Um, so if there’s another, you know, if they said, Hey, well I bet the story in Silo one would be amazing.

Let’s do that one also while we’re doing this other one. I think it would ruin it. Mm-hmm. I really do. 

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